Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It would in that any anti ganking and non PVP is ONLY in the newbie zone.
Nothing changes in Eve proper.
As far as the gate camp point goes. Fair enough :)
Although I am not one for hazing or initiations in general you make a valid point.

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One tiny dip between 2010 and 2011, but otherwise Eve has had some booming years lately and there is nothing to complain about.

I would argue that, barring significant watchfulness and advocacy of the existing playerbase, that it is a definite scenario.

CCP has been adding more safety creep to highsec year after year without cease. Case in point, I have never once seen them patch out a "bug" faster than they did with the MTU drone aggro thing earlier. They did that in a week. That is their on record fastest fix ever.

Their efforts have largely gone to giving highsec more safety for their mindless themepark content while the POS architecture languishes for literally years.

So I would say it's a significant danger. And imo, if the dichotomy all the change crusaders are offering is true(which I know it's not, they use that as a scare tactic to try and bolster their shaky arguments), that we have to kill the game or the game will die, then I'd rather have it fade into obscurity rather than prostituted out to the thrice damned casuals before the servers go cold.

i would rather see it fade out then go the way of a lot of mmos that pushed me away with a bad taste but that doesn't mean i want to just let it die i'm sure something can be done to improve the NPE without damaging the game.

however i don't believe the NPE is as big a problem as ppl think and that the panel at fan fest may have frightened ppl a bit

It can be done quite simply without doing anything more than what I suggested: One patch to fix the tutorials an an official newbie Player-run corporation maintained by CCP officials.

Assuming they do both competently...

As a recently new player, I can confirm just how many people who started playing at the same time I did are no longer playing 8 months later. Player retention is as bad as it was said to be in the panel. However, the players that remain tend to have more grit than the usual stock. That being said, there's nothing stopping people from sticking some sand in a few noobs' britches in between their pew and helping the process.

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NPE is not how any game keeps its subscribes past the NPE phase for that matter

I remember when I started EVE getting stuck in the newbie tutorial system.

Wait... that was Beta.

There are some good things to be said for giving new players a place to dip their toes into the water... I suppose this is not so much the shallow end as the kiddie pool. (there is no shallow end in EVE currently)

Though it won't be long before griefers turn local into a shameful display of Jita Local. Still, it just might be better for the long term health of the game if this were made to happen

the repercussions of griefing players who don't even understand how the UI functions are irrelevant - it shouldn't be possible in the first place.

There's no real reason to expose people to other players, especially in eve, before they've even learned the basics of how to interact with the game.

the less time and resources that are spent on banning current players abusing new players is more time and resources that can be dedicated to increasing the retention rate above 50%.

i think an area where you can learn how the ui and basic game functions work before being put in to the actual game is appropriate for any game.