Wormholes

Its so sad that this part isn't even wrong.

Sure thing Pro,
As long as I get to keep RS boosted sentries in my Domi's & system wide grid {server de-sync}....

"Refining" gas.

/facepalm

Or you could just ignore that remark at all.

Part of the face palm is not because of the toxic nature of The WH community but because it is such an utterly fail statement.

The only thing WH gases are used for is polymers. And there are already pos modules to do that. Given the many POS setups I've encountered there are plenty of WH entities making polymers from their gases.

So in short there is already a mod for that.

There is already a reason to react your gas in wormhole space. Volume.

A Vital Core has 6,000 units at 60,000m3 of c540. The c84 required to react all of that gas is another 12,000m3, the megacyte is negligible.

So 72,000m3 and change to haul un-reacted gas out, or I can react it in the wormhole where I mined it, and not only will I still make 2.5mil per hour per reactor (current Jita prices) but I will only have to haul 1,200m3 worth of C3-FTM Acid.

Bonus for reacting in a wormhole? Compression. Compression is your bonus.

In a C4? Due to the loot changes this only sounds like absolute BS.

brb necroing that thread another nag needs to die

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With that said, Gas refining in total is bad (requires pos with anchoring roles, meaning generally only the directors and CEO can do that). This is a bit of a giant hoop to jump through, and not necessarily a good one. The whole gas and drug manufacturing needs to be mildly overhauled. To refine a wormhole gas, you need the following:

Two Silos, One coupling array, the refinery and a destination silo. all which requires roles to make. I get the time process for processing this stuff but the method is just bizarre. There is a way around it though.

1) Remove the Silos from Polymer Reactor Arrays.
2) Add storage to the polymer reactor array. Anybody can access it, give it 20,000m3 of space. Allow the POS bonuses to effect its storage. (amarr it goes up to 30,000 m3, gallente 40,000 m3). Increase its powergrid/cpu to 150,000/750.
3) People put in the correct amount of stuff in it (lets say 1000 C50 and 500 C60, and 5000 tritanium, and the Hybrid Reaction type, in this case Fulleroferrocene). The person hits the big button saying "react"? Bam. 3 seconds later, you have your Fulleroferrocene (5,000 units).
4) The reactor goes immediately offline and begins to online itself. Its onlining time is based on the amount of product produced. For each batch is 1 hour. That was equal to 5 batches, so it takes 5 hours to online. During this time, product can be added/removed from the Reactor while its onlining. After the time expires, it can be reused, or offlined/unanchored.

This allows anybody to react their own gas if they want to, without the needs for roles, using something that is simple and instant, from a module they can have access to (without going through the whole onlining offlining silo's or the drag and drop interface). Think of it as refining materials in a starbase, with a cooldown. Stuff goes in, person gets instant result, the machine starts a cooldown timer (from as little as 1 hour to as long at 4 days, depending on the POS it is in). If people want more reactions faster, they can anchor more Polymer Reactor Arrays. This causes people to not make instant pos's just for reacting stuff instantly as the reactor cooldown would stop them from just onlining and offlining pos's.

No more silo's, no more role requirements, just drop your two gasses, your mineral and reaction, hit a button, instant product, module goes on cooldown for the same amount of time it would have taken to process the gasses in the old traditional method.

This could be done for drug labs also. Similar concepts could be done with the other reactors also. Heck you can even put a little countdown ontop of the module so that everybody knows it has just been used, and that the pos is in a weakened state as it had to switch modules off in order to accommodate this processor.

The silo juggle is ancient. Make the results instant, put the module on a cooldown, and give it access to everybody without requiring High End Roles.

I agree that compression is its own bonus. That said, I think that having more incentives to do wormhole things inside wormholes is always good. In this case, I see these arrays bringing more people into a POS to do their gas mining instead of perhaps just doing day trips. Anything we can do to encourage people to settle inside Anoikis should be encouraged IMHO since more people means more content.

I don't agree that the job should be instant. I like the integrated silos idea, and perhaps even giving bonuses or something to special faction versions of the reactor, but I think the instant button goes against the feel of the game. I'm not in love with the "loading bars online" aspect of Eve, but it's still a part of it. In the case of gas you're talking about industry. I think part of industry to planning and scheduling. Certainly you would still need to plan your cooldown timers, but making the reaction instant is a bit too easy/goes against the feel of the rest of the game.

It would be like if when you completed an order they had little spew cans come out of the reactor that you had to click really quick before they disappear; a terrible idea that doesn't fit the established feel of the game.