EVE General Discussion

I was in Uitra running career agent missions for repairing standings and I saw some activity which I did think was newbie unfriendly.
Can baiting, duels between a 7month and a 1day character. I'm not sure whether these should be prohibited or just warned about in the missions. Perhaps an introduction to becoming suspect and to duels might be in order?

BTW, BNI or RvB. I can't decide.

People are deluded.

Nobody is going to play a 10 year old MMO widely known for griefing, backstabbing, and all kinds of asshattery because suddenly you'll have some anti-greifing protections.

The suggestion of WoW-ifying EVE would be mocked endlessly if anyone but the Bee-Keeper himself suggested it, but apparenly after making nullsec about as dull as possible, the goal is to do the same for the rest of the game.

The Mittani isn't suggesting WoW-ifying EVE. If you think that's what he's saying then your reading comprehension sucks.

And null doesn't suck because we made it suck, null sucks because we've reached an inevitable end-state. It should have been evident from the very beginning that this sort of thing could happen, regardless of what alliances or what leaders inhabit nullsec. If you want content you have to provide a reason for that content, and in nullsec the only reason is conquest. Once any group has conquered a significant portion of nullsec (as will inevitably happen) they reach a point where they see no need to expand any further. Other groups come to the same point and soon you have stagnation. B0TLRD is not a cause, it is a symptom.

I couldn't disagree more. The current leaders of nullsec have asked people to hold their noses and ally with enemies, mindlessly shoot structures, sit through node crashes and TiDi, and deal with the endless sea of blue, for some future goal that apparenly would be better then what they had before.

Well the future is here. Having fun yet?

Mittens and Feyd appear to both be thinking in parallel to something that I've seen brought up before and was well received - we don't need or want any more nerfs to high sec, instead we want to prepare new players better for the challenge they are going to face. It's not about getting rid of or nerfing the griefers, or buffing the shinies that new people want to jump into the very second they log in, it's about 'buffing' their understanding of what they've just logged into.

At the moment, CCP are advertising this game as an orange (metaphor for "come and join the biggest space battles in MMO history!!!"), but players are surprised when they bite into a grapefruit (metaphor for "oh ****, I'm losing everything and this is only my second day, how is this possible!?"). Those of you who think 'griefing' is the problem, or that's what Mittens and Feyd are talking about, are addressing only a symptom of the real problem.

That's assuming it is one, though. There's still the not-at-all minor factoid that there are hundreds of thousands of us that got through that stage just fine. I did it without even really meeting anyone for most of my first year in the game, and stuck around because I enjoyed the game proper just enough to overwhelm any 'qq' feelings. And so too will anyone that enjoys the game in this manner.

So now we're back to intended/likely audience, which is people like those that have stuck around beyond the NPE. I'm divided on this - on one hand, Mittens and Feyd are right about needing new tutorials. On the other, they're wrong about the extent those tutorials need to take - even with a full-on "this is EVE" tutorial like the ones they both suggest, there will still be plenty of people quitting the game within their trial period, and then many more that may sub and leave later. These players are the ones that were always going to leave, no matter what you do, because they are not the game's intended audience.

So maybe I'm wrong, and CCP are advertising this game exactly as it is, and only those with the drive to make it to the 'big battles' or create their own end-game goals will be more capable of developing an understanding, and more quickly, of how the game works, because the intended audience will stick around anyway no matter what they lose or how harsh the game is.

I kind of agree and disagree at the same time. I got into eve 3 times before I stuck. I did well for myself all 3 times. It wasn't the scary world that pushed me away, but the fact that I was mostly exposed to boring PvE. Its more than just arming the noobs and teaching them skills. Its also helping them to find their place. I enjoyed mining for about a week before I got fed up with it. I enjoyed missions for about 2 weeks. I enjoyed ninjaing, exploration, and evading gankers in low and null for 5 years and counting. Even players who understand and thrive in the eve universe may still be driven away by boredom if all they see is missions.

I'm waiting for the part where you demonstrate that this isn't a natural and inevitable result of nullsec game mechanics. In other words, not entirely CCP's fault.

Because anybody should bother being nice against a sworn enemy? Against people who have said the only reason they exist is to eradicate you?

Are you high?

I'm not a Goon. I just have no idea why you think they would bother being nice to people who have made it their mission in life to go after them.

Honestly. It's backflipping stupid to think that you should be nice to your enemies.

Do you even know what TM is suggesting or is the title of this thread the extent of your source material behind this comment?