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Commander Askiras
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-12 22:16:43 UTC
Is the vargur good for lvl 4 missions? I'm asking first before I go crazy and buy one
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2014-07-12 22:39:45 UTC
Yes.

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stoicfaux
#3 - 2014-07-13 01:50:28 UTC
I find the Vargur to be adequate: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4217001

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-07-13 02:31:31 UTC
Yes. Very much so.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-07-13 04:03:35 UTC
How does it compare to a Machariel?
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-07-13 14:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakaari Inkuran
It can facetank god himself without any bling and it has better projection than the shield mach. Its great. If you're willing to tank with only a x-large booster, DCU and a cap booster, bastion still gets you 1200 HP/S against sansha, which is its weakest resists. And allows you to use 3 tracking computers and a prop mod. It has its strengths. It out DPS's the machariel at all but the absolute closest ranges, and can't warp as fast nor move as fast.

edit: i misspoke. You need a B-type pith booster (only 50M right now) to reach that 1200 figure. T2 is 800. I'd go with the pith booster.
Slymah
DorpCorp
#7 - 2014-07-14 03:40:10 UTC
Commander Askiras wrote:
Is the vargur good for lvl 4 missions? I'm asking first before I go crazy and buy one



Commander Askiras wrote:
Is the vargur good for lvl 4 missions? I'm asking first before I go crazy and buy one



Yep

Solo missioning is pretty much the whole point of marauders. (I think?)

If you're lazy just slap on a couple adaptives+dcu and forget about it.

Low pimp needed so you don't attract much attention from gank.

Ammo consumption is low enough to use faction.

I don't want to say impossible to get blown up by npcs just for the sake of karma but it's pretty darned stout. no problems whatsoever with any lvl4's including AE bonus room and lvl4 epic arc. *Minmatar space.

Fit tractors/salv and forget the need to haul around a noctis. Large enough cargo hold for most clean ups.

It looks sexy as all get out.

This is just my observations over the last week or so after buying one. Keep in mind I came out of a Mael so I'm still in shock that anything performs this good. I've never flown a Mach so I can't compare.

Read up on stoicfaux's posted thread for actual numbers.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#8 - 2014-07-14 07:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
you want around 70km falloff with bastion, use faction short range ammo and switch to barrage for anything further than 50km. run missions in minmatar space for best results and learn to love the mjd, it is your friend.

I fit two tractors and a single salvager in the highs. I use salvage drones and a mtu to suppliment and I tend to finish salvaging the last wreck when the last rat dies.

it is a very different kind of ship to a mach or rattler, polar oposite almost so it might not be for you. if you try and fly it like a mach you will be dissapointed.

if you want to fly something different you can always try a phoon as an idea on how a rattler might feel like. or fit a fleet phoon with acs for an idea how the mach might fly like.

Quote:
[Vargur, New Setup 1]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Bastion Module I
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Salvage Drone I x5
Warrior II x10


Something like that. It's overtanked sure but I don't know what else you'd put in the mids other than another tracking comp. An ECM Burst might be super useful if you're really worried about getting ganked (like missioning in an SOE system for example). Either will help if a bunch of catalysts decide they want to kill you for some reason. Should be able to burst tank over 3k ehp/s OH. Does just shy of 1k dps no implants, excellent projection and you can always add faction gyros for more deeps.

Again, the Vargur is not the best ship to blitz missions with but for salvaging/looting while missioning solo nothing comes close (I've tried, I have a fully skilled noctis alt)

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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#9 - 2014-07-14 22:56:18 UTC
You say its different to fly? how? On a rokh I mjd out to 150km then fly away from rats picking them off. I assume on a mach I just drop straight into the nearest pack of enemy and blaze away pointblank? So how should the vargur be flown? and how would that differ from say a kronos? Why is the varg better then the kron?

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Rok Hard
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-07-14 23:33:23 UTC
I'm training for a vargur right now, just a couple more days till I can fly it. I'm using a BC fit but I think I'm gonna drop the tractors for more salvagers and just use a MTU. I can't wait to try it out though. This is the fit I'm gonna use.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/24255-Rubicon-Vargur-makes-L4-missions-its-bi-h.html
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#11 - 2014-07-15 13:20:49 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
You say its different to fly? how? On a rokh I mjd out to 150km then fly away from rats picking them off. I assume on a mach I just drop straight into the nearest pack of enemy and blaze away pointblank? So how should the vargur be flown? and how would that differ from say a kronos? Why is the varg better then the kron?


Warp in. Drop tracor, Drop salvage drones. Bastion mode. Kill everything and occasionally press the shield booster.

None of this fancy flying around is required. It's like an old Torp raven from '06/'07
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#12 - 2014-07-17 04:32:51 UTC
Varg is reasonably nice, I just prefer other ships. Maybe that mostly has to do with mainly running in caldari space? I might have to send it down with my alt to gal/minny space some time, see how I like it out there.

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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#13 - 2014-07-18 14:51:33 UTC
Destroys all Level 4 missions in Minmatar space with a T2 fit. Jackrabbits around the mission space using the MJD, between Bastion cycles. Learn to use the MJD and you'll be able to hop out into the middle of a far spawn, kill them point blank, and hop back to the acceleration gate when they're dead. I typically send out salvage drones as soon as I have aggro, because I can kill as fast as they can salvage. If you really want to get your multitask on, slot 3 tractors and bring the wrecks in even as you're locking new targets and killing them. Just don't screw up and shoot your wrecks :)

The Vargur is literally built to run Level 4 missions. Use it.
Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-07-18 20:08:39 UTC
How does the Vargur compare to the Kronos for missions?

I ask because I have Battleship V for both Gallente and Minmatar... and am looking into a T2 BS soon.

I'm a drone guy and am currently using a Rattlesnake
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#15 - 2014-07-18 21:26:26 UTC
I have a question for you... why the hell aren't you using a Vindi?

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Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-07-18 23:14:28 UTC
Vindi is kinda shiny... but how well does it do for missions?
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-07-18 23:43:09 UTC
Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen wrote:
How does the Vargur compare to the Kronos for missions?

I ask because I have Battleship V for both Gallente and Minmatar... and am looking into a T2 BS soon.

I'm a drone guy and am currently using a Rattlesnake


With a Vargur you can stick to ACs for pretty much everything. With the Kronos you will be swapping between blasters and rails. Also the Kronos lacks damage type selection.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-07-18 23:46:00 UTC
Vinh 'Gallente' Nguyen wrote:
Vindi is kinda shiny... but how well does it do for missions?

Honestly? Its kinda terrible for missions. The web bonus is a waste for killing small ships when you could just use drones instead and it has issues with range and drinks ammo.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#19 - 2014-07-19 16:53:14 UTC
vindicator has very limited range with blasters, and well the other option is failguns (okay rails aren't that bad, but trying to make the vindy work with rails isn't the most natural thing). The blaster DPS is awesome, but very limited application means it is only viable in a small number of missions. I'd probably rather stick with the rattlesnake for most missions.

with the marauder changes I feel like the Kronos and Vargur are very similar with close range weapons. If I gave an edge to the varg it would mostly be for the selectable damage type. although looking at the dps graph the Kronos has better projection. Plus with antimatter the Kronos has a nice raw dps advantage.

Also my bias is mostly caldari/amarr space so I'm more used to shooting stuff there, and the only angel mission I ever see is Angels extra. For something like damsel I would think the kronos with antimatter and a dps advantage would finish faster than a vargur. I have no idea what Merc's resist profile is, other than they seem to die fast to lots of dps of any variety (I've mostly used lasers or hybrids against them).

oh yea and I'd say by a machariel, that thing is awesome! More dps, more speed, more agility, awesome projection. with a MWD the thing is as fast as some cruisers. As far as I'm concerned the only thing the varg has on the mach is tractor beam range...

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-07-19 17:23:35 UTC
I'll just say this, a dual XL-ASB Vargur with links, crystals, and a bit of bling can tank upwards of 20 thousand dps.

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