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Mittani: Greifers drive away new players

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#121 - 2014-07-12 21:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
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If we accept that both names are out of role play, then we can still see that one instance is clearly worse than the other.

Not objectively, no


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I am curious, however, how this actually matters in the context of the original post? How does the way a character is named impact whether or not they are able to cope with the challenges in EVE?

You should ask masternerdguy, he brought it up.

I simply pointed out he was in no position to point fingers regarding silly names.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#122 - 2014-07-12 21:20:02 UTC
Can you two take the RP discussion to PMs, please. While this thread is from the start a grievous (pun intended) misrepresentation and a false flag, talking about whose RP is more heinous than the other is completely off topic.

You're both equally awful, and God loves you both anyway.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#123 - 2014-07-12 21:20:57 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Can you two take the RP discussion to PMs, please. While this thread is from the start a grievous (pun intended) misrepresentation and a false flag, talking about whose RP is more heinous than the other is completely off topic.

You're both equally awful, and God loves you both anyway.


So your spaceship is real too?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#124 - 2014-07-12 21:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Greyscale Dash
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Not objectively, no
I simply pointed out he was in no position to point fingers regarding silly names.


Objectively yes, it's just like there's a difference between say eating a grape you didn't pay for in the grocery store and stealing a car. Both are stealing, but I doubt most people will consider those to be the same tier of stealing.

EDIT: Fixed mangled quote, hate when that happensRoll
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#125 - 2014-07-12 21:23:22 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
[quote]
Not objectively, no
I simply pointed out he was in no position to point fingers regarding silly names.


Objectively yes, it's just like there's a difference between say eating a grape you didn't pay for in the grocery store and stealing a car. Both are stealing, but I doubt most people will consider those to be the same tier of stealing.


LOLWAT

Giving a character or item a silly name is the same as a federal crime?!

Are you high?!

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

voetius
Grundrisse
#126 - 2014-07-12 21:24:09 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:


I am not a role player, character names to not matter. However, there is a big difference between naming your character something stupid and naming an outpost



No there isnt

How is your name within the lore?


How is yours?


How isnt it? Its a name with a proper surname, and proper forename and thousands years of entomological history behind it.

Please help masternerdguy to defend his in-lore name. First you can point to a culture in New Enden that doesnt capitalise give names

Then you can explain how the station he quoted is a worse name than his own, within the lore


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entomology

Not to be confused with Etymology, the study of the history of words

sorry couldn't resist Blink
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#127 - 2014-07-12 21:24:51 UTC
voetius wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:


I am not a role player, character names to not matter. However, there is a big difference between naming your character something stupid and naming an outpost



No there isnt

How is your name within the lore?


How is yours?


How isnt it? Its a name with a proper surname, and proper forename and thousands years of entomological history behind it.

Please help masternerdguy to defend his in-lore name. First you can point to a culture in New Enden that doesnt capitalise give names

Then you can explain how the station he quoted is a worse name than his own, within the lore


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entomology

Not to be confused with Etymology, the study of the history of words

sorry couldn't resist Blink


Good catch. Yes, I did mean etymology, not entomology Oops

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#128 - 2014-07-12 21:25:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Giving a character or item a silly name is the same as a federal crime?!


Lol Comically missing the point. The point is that even for real offenses (since we are treating being OORP as an "offense") there are different tiers.

For example, in your felony you have different classes representing severity with different punishments. The reasoning is that there are different "levels of severity" in doing something wrong.

That was the point, mate.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#129 - 2014-07-12 21:27:25 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


So your spaceship is real too?


Mine is.

I am sipping tea in my Wolf, while listening to Led Zeppelin, and snorting plutonian nyborg.

But that could just be the booze talking.

vOv

Shocked

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#130 - 2014-07-12 21:27:55 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Giving a character or item a silly name is the same as a federal crime?!


Lol Comically missing the point. The point is that even for real offenses (since we are treating being OORP as an "offense") there are different tiers.

For example, in your felony you have different classes representing severity with different punishments. The reasoning is that there are different "levels of severity" in doing something wrong.

That was the point, mate.


Ok, "mate"

I see that

But I still cannot see how being called "danieldaypoous" is to grape-stealing as a station called "Slags for sale" is to car-theft

You havent actually explained the difference, you simply stated that (you believe) there is one

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2014-07-12 21:29:41 UTC
Yes I'm sure station names are causing people to leave or whatever the **** your stupid point was. Roll

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#132 - 2014-07-12 21:30:30 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Giving a character or item a silly name is the same as a federal crime?!


Lol Comically missing the point. The point is that even for real offenses (since we are treating being OORP as an "offense") there are different tiers.

For example, in your felony you have different classes representing severity with different punishments. The reasoning is that there are different "levels of severity" in doing something wrong.

That was the point, mate.


Ok, "mate"

I see that

But I still cannot see how being called "danieldaypoous" is to grape-stealing as a station called "Slags for sale" is to car-theft

You havent actually explained the difference, you simply stated that (you believe) there is one


You haven't stated why they aren't. Common sense suggests that one action is worse because it has a broader scope than the other.

As I've stated, the difference is in how localized the effects of the action is.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#133 - 2014-07-12 21:34:50 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:


You haven't stated why they aren't. Common sense suggests that one action is worse because it has a broader scope than the other.

As I've stated, the difference is in how localized the effects of the action is.


You are one suggesting they are, so you kinfd of need to provide supporting evidence for your hypothesis

Considering that Station names are not permanent but character names are, and you only see that station if theres a courier contract or you go there (or you own it) and stations cannot post on forums and characters appear in local, how would a station name be broader in scope than a player name?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#134 - 2014-07-12 21:37:43 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:


You haven't stated why they aren't. Common sense suggests that one action is worse because it has a broader scope than the other.

As I've stated, the difference is in how localized the effects of the action is.


You are one suggesting they are, so you kinfd of need to provide supporting evidence for your hypothesis

Considering that Station names are not permanent but character names are, and you only see that station if theres a courier contract or you go there (or you own it) and stations cannot post on forums and characters appear in local, how would a station name be broader in scope than a player name?


Station names show up on the map. You are literally putting that stupid name on the mapBig smile

Besides, devs change offensive character names all the time (Caldari Citizen 3243984798327 etc), but a fly-by in sov null will reveal plenty of station names that, if they were character names, would probably be removed.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#135 - 2014-07-12 21:40:30 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:


Station names show up on the map. You are literally putting that stupid name on the mapBig smile

Besides, devs change offensive character names all the time (Caldari Citizen 3243984798327 etc), but a fly-by in sov null will reveal plenty of station names that, if they were character names, would probably be removed.


And you just proved Ramona's point.

CCP knows that char names have a wider influence, hence why they are usually changed straight away.

Please tell me how often that happens with stations, if your argument holds true.

More than char names?

Or corp names?

You are literally arguing futility.

Walk away.

Roll

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#136 - 2014-07-12 21:42:01 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:


Station names show up on the map. You are literally putting that stupid name on the mapBig smile

Besides, devs change offensive character names all the time (Caldari Citizen 3243984798327 etc), but a fly-by in sov null will reveal plenty of station names that, if they were character names, would probably be removed.


And you just proved Ramona's point.

CCP knows that char names have a wider influence, hence why they are usually changed straight away.

Please tell me how often that happens with stations, if your argument holds true.

More than char names?

Or corp names?

You are literally arguing futility.

Walk away.

Roll


They don't change OORP names, they change names that break their EULA.

The point is that character names are not permanent either.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#137 - 2014-07-12 21:42:08 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:


Besides, devs change offensive character names all the time (Caldari Citizen 3243984798327 etc)(1), but a fly-by in sov null will reveal plenty of station names that, if they were character names, would probably be removed.(2)


(1) Really? Because when I open my map I have to got to the system, click on the system and get it to show me the stations to see a station. Players I can see in local, in forums, in evemails, in contracts, in out-of-game websites, killmails, and in corp lists.

(2) If you find it offensive, report it. THe fact that (as you say) player names are removed more often is indicative that they are MORE noticed, not less.

And player names (unless deleted for being offensive) are eternal on the server. Station names are not.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#138 - 2014-07-12 21:43:50 UTC
... must be ISD's day off... we're getting good mileage out of this one without so much as the approaching "wooop -wooop" beginning to echo in the distance...

P

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#139 - 2014-07-12 21:47:04 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:


They don't change OORP names, they change names that break their EULA.

The point is that character names are not permanent either.


And the point is, you have literally derailed a thread in which actual productive discussion was taking place, for a Ripard-esque witch hunt over station names.

[Insert chosen "Get Over It" EvE axiom here]

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#140 - 2014-07-12 21:53:30 UTC
* popcorn *

Ramona McCandless wrote:


So your spaceship is real, is it?


So not being a roleplayer is equivalent to not knowing you are playing a game?

Ramona McCandless wrote:

How is your name within the lore?


It isn't within the loreBig smile, I assure you that there is no EVE chronicle about the great masternerdguy (at least CCP hasn't written it yepCool)

However, it does have meaning to me. This is the identity I use on the internet, everywhere. When I am on the internet, this identity is more important to me than my real name. I consider it just as valid. And, if you want to roleplay, I can't find it hard to imagine some New Eden computer nerd calling themselves "masternerdguy"Blink

My original post was not about OORP names, however. It was about the NPE and the changes suggested in the Mittani article. That little argument tacked on to the end is very small compared to the previous points, and you've managed to totally misinterpret it. My point is not that OORP names are bad, please consider the following.

Even though I am not a roleplayer I have read many of the chronicles, especially the ones that describe how technologies in their world work. It's just fun stuff to know, and some of it is actually pretty novel and clever. For example, CCP has written an extremely detailed paper on how FTL travel in their world works that I highly recommend people should read (especially before you ask why there are no binary stars in EVE - they ALL are).

In the original Mittani article, they said few read the lore. I'm curious if this is actually true. I've read some of it and I am definitely not a role player.

Actually, those EVE chronicles have some brilliant science fiction shorts.

Throwing all that good literature away so that we can try to coddle someone into staying, someone who will leave anyway because they were tricked (read: given a false impression) into the game, is offensive and wasteful.

So, if you want to argue any of my other points feel free, but the primary purpose of my OP was not to argue lore.

Things are only impossible until they are not.