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Saelem Black
Cog Banking
#1 - 2014-07-12 19:41:40 UTC
So, I recently started playing eve again on a new character. The last time I quit was just as the tier 3 BS came out, so there have been a lot of changes. I'm caldari now, and I'm looking into top tier mission running fits that are a little out of the standard. I don't want a CNR or a golem just because they're.... common. Then the barghest caught my eye. I know everyone is going to scream at me for not using the second bonus, but here is the fit I came up with.

[Barghest, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Caldari Navy Co-Processor

Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

It has a nice popping 1448 dps with all lvl Vs. It's not set in stone, I may swap for an AB, then play with the CPU, but the fit isn't the question. My question is if torps, only aided by rigs, are viable in pve. A lot of things have changes since I last played and I heard missiles got buffed. I didn't ever really play with missiles before anyway, but I had heard that torps were pretty much worthless for anything other than blapping. I like the barg because its fast, maneruverable, a little different, and has crazy damage. I like short range BSs in pve, rather than sit with a marauder in one spot and nuke everything with tachs or cruises.

What do people think? Are torps viable now?

For comparison, explosion velocity/radius
122/244 faction torps w/ rigs
104/248 faction cruises w/o rigs
122/105 faction heavies w/o rigs
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2014-07-12 19:52:27 UTC
Saelem Black wrote:
My question is if torps, only aided by rigs, are viable in pve.


Not really, you will get far better performance out of Cruises. Also obligatory comments: you're wasting the second bonus and this is going to be subpar compared to pretty much any of the other missile BS options.
Saelem Black
Cog Banking
#3 - 2014-07-12 19:57:53 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Saelem Black wrote:
My question is if torps, only aided by rigs, are viable in pve.


Not really, you will get far better performance out of Cruises. Also obligatory comments: you're wasting the second bonus and this is going to be subpar compared to pretty much any of the other missile BS options.


How hard do cruises hit if they are unaided by rigs or bonuses?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#4 - 2014-07-12 22:41:25 UTC
Saelem Black wrote:
How hard do cruises hit if they are unaided by rigs or bonuses?


Very.

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Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-07-12 22:46:23 UTC
If you want a ship that's "less common" than the CNR or Golem for missions, check out the Rattlesnake. It'll run missions far faster than a barghest and cost a lot less too.
stoicfaux
#6 - 2014-07-12 22:48:18 UTC
Saelem Black wrote:

How hard do cruises hit if they are unaided by rigs or bonuses?

Badly for Fury. You will want 3 to 4 TPs in addition to 3 rigor/flare rigs.

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Saelem Black
Cog Banking
#7 - 2014-07-13 17:10:17 UTC
Does anyone have any rough numbers of damage of torps vs. cruises on small targets?

Also, 3 to 4 TPs is way way way overkill. Simply because of the stacking penalies for starters. Secondly, with all that and rigs, you'll be hitting with better performance than heavy missiles and HAMs. I need to kill cruisers not scout drones.
stoicfaux
#8 - 2014-07-13 18:03:18 UTC
Saelem Black wrote:
Does anyone have any rough numbers of damage of torps vs. cruises on small targets?

Also, 3 to 4 TPs is way way way overkill. Simply because of the stacking penalies for starters. Secondly, with all that and rigs, you'll be hitting with better performance than heavy missiles and HAMs. I need to kill cruisers not scout drones.

If you want to one shot most non-elite NPC cruisers with Fury cruise missiles, you'll need 4 RF TPs, a 3% missile radius implant, a 5% damage implant, and 2xRigor2s+Flare1 rigs to one shot most NPC cruisers. (Or you can swap the RF TP for PWNAGEs and 5% explosion radius and 3% explosion velocity implants.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fgSbnrcRplfqCPLcmDvaOlVl6AySWIhwGAcqzznsV7E/edit?usp=sharing -> 5th column.

Also, for reference: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4450779

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Saelem Black
Cog Banking
#9 - 2014-07-13 18:35:23 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Saelem Black wrote:
Does anyone have any rough numbers of damage of torps vs. cruises on small targets?

Also, 3 to 4 TPs is way way way overkill. Simply because of the stacking penalies for starters. Secondly, with all that and rigs, you'll be hitting with better performance than heavy missiles and HAMs. I need to kill cruisers not scout drones.

If you want to one shot most non-elite NPC cruisers with Fury cruise missiles, you'll need 4 RF TPs, a 3% missile radius implant, a 5% damage implant, and 2xRigor2s+Flare1 rigs to one shot most NPC cruisers. (Or you can swap the RF TP for PWNAGEs and 5% explosion radius and 3% explosion velocity implants.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fgSbnrcRplfqCPLcmDvaOlVl6AySWIhwGAcqzznsV7E/edit?usp=sharing -> 5th column.

Also, for reference: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4450779


Thank you for the reference. I'll check it out!
The General Failure
Geuzen Inc
#10 - 2014-07-14 13:23:11 UTC
if you want something else use a SNI, great ship better than most give it credit for, much more versatile than the RNI cheaper than most options and can do most lvl 5 missions as well.