Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Someone brought this up earlier but, this is pretty much the same thing as companies wanting to continue doing a bad thing because "we don't know" what could happen. I think the example the poster used was the cigarette companies like Philip Morris trying to prevent legislative action with stalling tactics like this.

After the "You can impersonate yourself" TOS fiasco, I think the GM team would have collective apoplexy over this one. I would prefer the functionally similar effect of having the highest SP character be the only one with posting privileges over this.

Is this topic still going?

Tell me when I have to join a 1 man corp just so I can post.

Please understand that my statement above is a statement of principle. No one can be tempted by power they don't have.

You guys do an exemplary job, hands down. But I was around for T20. Corruption happens, it HAS happened, and I believe that the potential for abuse of power did not simply disappear after that.

This is a topic that is contentious.

One side wishes to stop trolling by silencing a group (npc corps and player corps with less than 10 people).
One side does not want to be silenced.

These are 2 opposites that can not be reconciled.

One item that could be agreed on by both sides is a solution that silences the "trolls" without silencing main characters that reside in NPC corps.

La Nariz (author of this thread) has posted 2 of the more suggested alternates on the starting post

Summary of the 2 are.

From Malcanis : Allow people to block post by Corporations instead of by character.
From Marsha Mallow: Allow people to only post with one character per account (either by highest SP or only one character able to be selected)

pros & Cons
La Nariz suggestion:
Notice: La Nariz suggestion is not a complete ban from forums. it will still allow access to EVE New Citizen's Q&A, Features & Ideas Discussion, Character Bazaar and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment Center.

-Increase the quality of the forums because NPC corporation posters are notoriously known for being devoted to being troll alts,
I feel this is just a personal view of La Nariz. But people can create a character and never launch them in space and they would end up in one of the 12 starting Corps. But people from various side will also make hi-sec alts that stay in NPC corps for protection from war decs. I believe that La means that a NPC corp (starting) is composed of New people, Quickly made troll alts, Alt characters.
I believe that there is also a community of NPC corp main or only characters also in these corps.
This is something that will be contentious in this thread.

-It is easily circumvented by players that wish to have a solo experience in EVE and wish to post via one 10+ man corporations,
Pro: It is easily circumvented both by trolls and players
Con: It force people to leave corps that they may not wish to leave or to lose access to forums

-It provides consequences/content for actions by exposing posters to retribution should their posts be deemed unpalatable by other players,
Pro: If you do not like a poster's actions on the forums you can go to war with their corporation.
Con: Easy to circumvent by hopping to another corp.

-Potentially decrease ISD/Community Manager workloads,


-Leave newbies unaffected as they can still post questions, ideas and look for corporations.
Pro: with La Nariz suggestion but not some of the other more comprehensive forum bans.
Con: NPC corp people will not be able to talk in the other forums.

-Leave the character trading system unaffected.


-Decrease the amount of thread derailment and trolling.
Pro: would have less newbies in other parts of forums
Con: easy to circumvent by trolls

-Adds an incentive to joining a player made corporation.
Pro: Yes
Con: Forces people to join player made corporation if they wish to participate in Forums.

I see trolls as going though the extra effort to circumvent this idea.

Questions:
Are these troll character used and then bio massed to make new Trolls?
There is a rule about bio massing to avoid consequences.

If this is implemented what is to stop trolls from setting up/joining a 10 man, 100 man corp?
It does take more time to train up corp skills to have a larger corp but only one character to train up to set up corp.


From Malcanis : Allow people to block post by Corporations instead of by character.
Pro: Would allow people to block people they do not want to read. Does not affect or block anything else.
Con: Threads could still get derailed.


From Marsha Mallow: Allow people to only post with one character per account (either by highest SP or only one character able to be selected)
Pro: Trolls would have to pay for each month they want to post on forums(circumvented by trial accounts from Dally Lama). Does not affect single characters mains that are in NPC Corps.
Con: Reduction of meta alt, Selling characters might be affected?

From Vaju Enki: Make it possible check all the pilot names of that account.
Pro: Lets you see who is posting.
Con: Reduction of meta alt, Circumvented by trial accounts.

Really the simplest answer is to never reply to an obvious troll. The replies are what feed them so if there is a post the is clearly someone trolling simply ignore or report it.

No arbitrary rules or draconian measures required.

Question: are you seriously using CAOD as an example of a good subforum?

I mean ffs GD>CAOD.

Some select responses from the first page of currently active CAOD discussions:

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"A goon once touched me in my special place - I was not sure if it made me happy or sad."

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"Every time I look at the influence mad and see Period Basis in the hands of nasty filthy hobbittez, I want to say...

Goonssess! We hatez it! Forevah!"

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"Woah woah woah.Sir. Sir, please:


We're all friends here and can be completely and totally open about our sexuality. Except Warfire.
LolExecutive Outcomes.
Okay, we're going to need to sit down and have a talk now, young man, as what you've said borders on the lines of Glen Beck-esque words. And we can't have none of that.
BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK "

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"GRRR .EXE"

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"nobody gives a flying fawk."

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"Hi!

Permits are 10 million isk and allow you to operate in highsec for 1 year. Please send your isk to James 315 with "permit" as the reason. We are running a special for mass permit sales for the next 30 days. You can buy 10 permits for the low, low price of 100mil isk or 20 for only 200mil isk. That's a savings your whole corporation will appreciate!

Also, we all wish you luck in your Call to Arms. I can't remember if this is the 8th or 15th movement to destroy us.

Strawberry"

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"do pre-ops count?"

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I stand by Every. Single. Word.

Potato, I am at work or I'd dig up some gems from that forum a while back, before they banned NPC alts.

It's worse. Easily. It was 4chan bad.

So in the long long ago when rules, enforcement, and possibly culture were very different from today, CAOD was worse with npc posters than without. Ok. I believe you.

Here's the thing though: Today I look at CAOD and I look at the other forums (e.g. GD) and CAOD is worse. I haven't seen anyone dispute this. So I really don't buy the whole "npc posters make forums bad, just look at CAOD" angle.

But honestly, I don't really care that much. I've been part of player corps for all of my active time over the past five years. I have no horse in this debate, so vOv. Just pointing out a small flaw in reasoning.