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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-07-10 15:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
i love how he compares a combat bs to an attack bs.
if he was reasonable he should compare the apocalypse with the megathron and the abaddon with the hyperion.


He did that as well. You're welcome to weigh in on that comparison. However the abaddon and megathron fits were also similar enough in performance and role to warrant a comparison too.


i just wanted to point out that comparing a combat bs to attack bs is like comparing apples and oranges, they r both fruits ok but still there r big differences ^^

ps a baddon fit i would use

[Abaddon, fleet pew]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

100MN Microwarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II

Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

EDIT: The memory cell would be better with a energy discharge rig but that would require a pg implant
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-07-10 15:47:24 UTC
Honestly, considering the speed of battleships and the range at which their weapons operate compared to the range of tackle, combat and attack designations stopped having any meaning to me, personally. It only works at the smaller classes. BCs and down.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-07-10 15:54:32 UTC
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Honestly, considering the speed of battleships and the range at which their weapons operate compared to the range of tackle, combat and attack designations stopped having any meaning to me, personally. It only works at the smaller classes. BCs and down.


in a way yes i concur. But Apocalypse and megathron are designed to apply their damage better, where as the baddon and the hyperion where designed to withstand more punishment so there is still a difference it may be smaller than in the smaller category but if u have ever seen a triple rep hype u will know there is a difference ^^
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#64 - 2014-07-10 16:53:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Honestly, considering the speed of battleships and the range at which their weapons operate compared to the range of tackle, combat and attack designations stopped having any meaning to me, personally. It only works at the smaller classes. BCs and down.


There is quite a gap in mobility between combat- and attack BS. A tempest is making around 1km/s on MWD, a maelstrom is some 800ish. A hyperion is an exceptionally fast combat BS, but still slow in comparison to the megathron. Putting next to each other a navy scorpion and a navy raven presents a difference of 200ms, 910 against 1130, which can mean a significant difference between those two hulls in smallscale engagements.

Remember, once you plug in nanos and skirmish-links, those differences are going to become even bigger. (1260 vs. 1580 after links). Notably, adding MG snakes or better actually pushes a nano attack BS's velocity into the *kiting-YES* region of 2km/s and more.

Extreme example, but yeah. A difference between attack and combat BS does exist, and it CAN (in some niche situations) make a huge difference.

To the 'baddon:
Quote:
[Abaddon, nullsec blobthingy]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
Armor Explosive Hardener II
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Heat Sink II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I


that'd be the one I'm familiar with. Had a mwd, but I guess it's all about MJDs these days.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-07-11 21:27:07 UTC
Point very well taken.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2014-07-11 22:55:58 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
On a med slot that could be used for tracking or sebo on almost any other BS ...




Ships in this game are balanced for PVP, not PVE. ANY battleship can run level 4's

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-07-12 12:15:55 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
On a med slot that could be used for tracking or sebo on almost any other BS ...




Ships in this game are balanced for PVP, not PVE. ANY battleship can run level 4's


includes that marauders?
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-07-12 14:07:00 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
On a med slot that could be used for tracking or sebo on almost any other BS ...




Ships in this game are balanced for PVP, not PVE. ANY battleship can run level 4's


includes that marauders?

Yes. Marauders are awesome for PVP but also awesome for missions. They used to be not so great for PVP but CCP fixed that
Saelem Black
Cog Banking
#69 - 2014-07-12 20:27:37 UTC
As far as PVE goes, the abaddon does fine. When I was saving up for a paladin, this is the fit I used. It has a lot of cap mods, of course, but it still outperformed an apoc (or the old geddon) in dps and when tanking exp/kin.

[Abaddon, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

4 min cap w/scorch or multi

730 dps @ 58+16 km, no drones, optimal scripts
1181 DPS @ 15+10 km, with drones, tracking scripts

Certainly not the best thing out there, but for amarr players before navy/marauders become available, its just fine.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#70 - 2014-07-12 23:53:14 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
On a med slot that could be used for tracking or sebo on almost any other BS ...




Ships in this game are balanced for PVP, not PVE. ANY battleship can run level 4's


I suppose a Scorpion can... try at least.

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Pine Marten
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-07-13 00:08:50 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Hello,

I was wondering what's the point of a this, ship that doesn't have the cap to fire with the guns it was designed to use (naturally, you can't even think to use anything else at the same time) ?


May I introduce you to "Heavy Capacitor Booster II" and his little friend "Cap Booster 800"



Cap 800's are anything buy little.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-07-14 19:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Val'Dore wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
On a med slot that could be used for tracking or sebo on almost any other BS ...




Ships in this game are balanced for PVP, not PVE. ANY battleship can run level 4's


I suppose a Scorpion can... try at least.


The Scorpion like the Barghest and Bhaalgorn can be used for missions but their PVP specific bonuses make them less than ideal for it. Either one is fully capable of completing a level 4 mission although I would never use them for this purpose.
Rauvagol
EVE University
Ivy League
#73 - 2014-07-14 19:47:34 UTC
As someone who loves the abaddon: it is a brick with lasers on it, you can be almost unstoppable if you can bribe your logi into giving you cap, and you commonly have ehp around the 150k mark, making you able to deal massive damage, but not be worth primarying just because of how big your buffer is.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#74 - 2014-07-14 20:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Yokai Mitsuhide
Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
On a med slot that could be used for tracking or sebo on almost any other BS ...

If you're flying any Amarr BS I hope you have a cap booster fitted... If not you're going to have a bad day when someone puts a neut on you


And then, what's the point of piloting an Amarr BS instead of a Gallente or Minmatar BS ?

Not losing DPS because your target is further than 10 km from you. Putting 1k DPS out to 30km or more depending on your weapons.

edit: anyway, the abaddon really shines in a fleet or gang when it can get the support of a logi and a cap chain. its not a PVE ship and its not a solo PVP ship


I see it being used plenty and quite effectively at PVE. Seen a few doing solo PVP as well.
Elly Alfarius
OEG
Goonswarm Federation
#75 - 2014-07-15 10:10:28 UTC
Solo pvp in BS, in brawly BS. Seems legit.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-07-15 10:23:27 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
On a med slot that could be used for tracking or sebo on almost any other BS ...




Ships in this game are balanced for PVP, not PVE. ANY battleship can run level 4's


includes that marauders?



yes.. remember when they rebalanced them? They clearly stated they wanted them to be usable on PVP because that was the core of eve.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2014-07-15 10:24:34 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
On a med slot that could be used for tracking or sebo on almost any other BS ...




Ships in this game are balanced for PVP, not PVE. ANY battleship can run level 4's


I suppose a Scorpion can... try at least.



You must be reallly bad if you cannot complete some level 4 in a scorpion. Sure, till not be the fastest, But will be easy to complete, as any L4 is.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"