EVE General Discussion

404 griefs the internet.

also, nowhere in that article does the mittani say that griefing drives away new players.

the only remotely relevant or related quote is this:


this doesn't even remotely translate to the title of this thread, it just illustrates that nobody wants to do what we should be doing to help new players because it's not worth the risk. which is just ******* dumb because we should all love newbies unconditionally because there's not a sensible person here who would disagree with that.

Dave (edit: and Remiel) stop taking the bait. The guy is in Bastion, who's SRP comes from Mittens proverbial teat.

Plus, the title is about "greifers" not "griefers."

to be fair though, the way awoxing works in high sec is hilariously terrible especially when you consider anyone repping the awoxer inherits no suspect or criminal flags.

i've seen 3 day old gnosis pilots take out vindicators because even with a vindicator's dps you're just not going to break a gnosis being repped by 3 augorors and you're not going to suicide gank an augoror worth at most 40m with a 1bn+ isk battleship.

doesn't matter what you think of tmc, the mittani, goons, or terrible thread titles - the article has some good points.

Same here.
But the big one is right- there are a whole bunch of game mechanics in EVE that are counter-intuitive for newbies and appear more like exploits or loopholes than actual game concepts.
And any game mechanic that disincentivizes players from actually playing the game (that is: socializing and pvp) is bad and should be removed.

i think he makes some valid points. i'm not stoked about his idea of creating a jovian newbie area, but i think he's on the right track. i remember my first few weeks in eve (three tries before i started a subscription) and how utterly lost i felt.

i've always thought the new player experience could use some serious attention. for whatever reason, ccp has decided to put almost all of it's efforts into retaining experienced players. although important, it doesn't do much for expanding the player base.

F U Mittens, Y U no like me?

Me want easykills for autism special.

And not just goons.

I could get down with the Mittani's idea except for one thing.

In a world where highsec was a transitional zone between a safe tutorial zone and an eventual career in lawless space, nerfing highsec safaris would be a reasonable proposition. However, that's not the world we live in.

In the current EVE Online universe, highsec is the permanent home of a majority of the player base. Highsec isk rewards are as high or higher than in other zones of space, and highsec aggression (including AWOXing) is a needed balancing factor. If anything, highsec aggression needs to be buffed.

I can see the merits of a single newbie area for trial accounts. The time that you can spend there would have to be short, and activities and rewards severely limited. The primary weakness of the NPE is that it fails to introduce newbies to player-generated content, which of course is the greatest attraction of this game. By having the newbies all gathered together in a separate zone, it would facilitate incorporating fleet activities into the NPE. CCP approved FCs could organize fleets for mining, exploration, and PvP. Participating in a fleet could even be a final aspect of each of the career-path tutorials.