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Saraki Ishikela
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-07-11 16:44:49 UTC
I have been doing exploration in both Null and Low for a few months and have yet to lose a ship. I say that not to brag, but to maybe add a small amount of credibility to the advice i'm about to dispense.

Invest in either an Astero or Cov Op Frig. I use an astero personally (4 Mids, 4 Lows, Cov Ops Cloak). Warping While Cloaked is a huge advantage and immediately ups your survival by a huge amount.

Next fit it for align time. I use 2 nano's on my astero and with my skills I get the align time under 2 seconds and that almost guarantees you can warp before anyone can put a point on you.

I don't run warp core stabilizers. I cloak and warp, or use the MWD Cloak trick to avoid bubbles.

I wont run a site if anyone is in local.

That being said I still D Scan and look for ships and probes. If I see either I leave.

I run with a flight of ECM Drones in space while I work a site, If I do get caught I hope to jam my opponent long enough to leave.

I set a loot limit on my travels. Once I reach 100m or a full cargo hold I go back to base. I then choose a new region to roam, don't let people predict where you'll be.

And because this is Eve, I also run with Warp Scram and Light Drones in case I find someone in a site.... :)

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#42 - 2014-07-11 17:19:25 UTC
Ioci wrote:


I have taken that in to consideration. People look for patterns, it's what we do. My experience in EVE has been there is a pattern of people showing up in places at just the right time far too often for it to be a coincidence. Even if there is no meta exploit involved the content by design becomes gimmickry due to realistic, low success ratios.



IMO the fact that the game rewards people who manage to make you come to the above conclusion is not gimmickry, its excellent game design. People that can't cope wind up being mission runners.

meanwhile scanboat harassment and murder programs reward scanboat harrassers with more signatures. The desired behavior modification is pretty obvious when you get kills or lengthy cloakups forced on scanboat pilots.

if you want to succeed scanboat piloting, you should move to a deployment location that is past any choke first. I dunno if you are still living out of pochelymp but that is an example of a deployment that will typically let you work 2 lowsec systems without tripping anyones intel. Keba and Shenda in aridia often used to let me work whole constellations without being seen at all by another pilot, those were places I used to go to when I wasn't in poche.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#43 - 2014-07-11 17:29:06 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Ioci wrote:


I have taken that in to consideration. People look for patterns, it's what we do. My experience in EVE has been there is a pattern of people showing up in places at just the right time far too often for it to be a coincidence. Even if there is no meta exploit involved the content by design becomes gimmickry due to realistic, low success ratios.



IMO the fact that the game rewards people who manage to make you come to the above conclusion is not gimmickry, its excellent game design. People that can't cope wind up being mission runners.

meanwhile scanboat harassment and murder programs reward scanboat harrassers with more signatures. The desired behavior modification is pretty obvious when you get kills or lengthy cloakups forced on scanboat pilots.

if you want to succeed scanboat piloting, you should move to a deployment location that is past any choke first. I dunno if you are still living out of pochelymp but that is an example of a deployment that will typically let you work 2 lowsec systems without tripping anyones intel. Keba and Shenda in aridia often used to let me work whole constellations without being seen at all by another pilot, those were places I used to go to when I wasn't in poche.




It's nice when someone demonstrates that they actually understand the game they are playing (and I don't care if they take this as an insult, but High Sec is chocked full of players who don't, that's why they went back to high sec).

You should post these same thoughts in the nearest AFK cloaky thread too lol.
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-07-11 18:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lena Lazair
If getting killed while traveling is your biggest issue, USE WORMHOLES. For exploration you don't really care where you end up so scan a chain and there's very good odds you'll wind up in a quiet backwater null system.

Not that WH travel is safe of course, but you'll run into coordinated camps far less often than on low/null choke paths.

EDIT: Especially with the recent bump to lowsec K to K WH rates.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#45 - 2014-07-11 18:12:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


You should post these same thoughts in the nearest AFK cloaky thread too lol.



nah all I can do with those is post the easy method of dealing with a camper, which is to move next door, which forces the camper to gate to keep the camp functioning, which means you can kill them on the gate grid.

amuses me when a renter complains about it, since they can just rent 2 systems, or make an agreement with another corp to rat in their system until the camper loses interest or they kill it moving between locations.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#46 - 2014-07-11 19:12:26 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


You should post these same thoughts in the nearest AFK cloaky thread too lol.



nah all I can do with those is post the easy method of dealing with a camper, which is to move next door, which forces the camper to gate to keep the camp functioning, which means you can kill them on the gate grid.

amuses me when a renter complains about it, since they can just rent 2 systems, or make an agreement with another corp to rat in their system until the camper loses interest or they kill it moving between locations.



A little off topic, when my alliance used to rent from Atlas. back in the day, I had this issue, my miners deicded a dead end system would be perfect to mine in... an afk camper got past the 40 bubbles on the gate and my miners freaked. I happily told them to move. and they whined some more. Its rather funny, often I would just 'just move over a system' and always met with 'but this one is fully upgraded whaaaaaa' sigh

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#47 - 2014-07-11 19:13:42 UTC
On topic, as has been said, clearly you are doing it wrong. Cloak is yoru friend, local and d-scan are also your friends. The moment someone enters system GTFO of your site, or cloak.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Aerymis
Backwater Logistics
#48 - 2014-07-11 21:02:29 UTC
You need to join a noob friendly corp so they can show you how to avoid dying to people. There are plenty of reasons you die and I don't want to go into them all - TL;DR above and im sure someone said it all already.

Join a noob friendly corp and learn. Doing Eve alone is like a chicken asking to be adopted by a Colonel Sanders chicken farm.

Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#49 - 2014-07-12 00:24:55 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Bubbles, all of a sudden? I thought you said lowsec…



Low sec/null sec. 0.4 and below.


Fly a cov ops if you're going into null. It's basically impossible to die.

Without a cov ops cloak, you need to use the MWD+cloak trick to get out a bubble.

In lowsec itself, you should never be dying except to people who are going all out with remote sebos.



See I would, but I can't afford it... I can't afford the ship because I can't get the isk. "Every time I've gone into low and null I die"
I do get like 50 million isk+ in my inventory If I had one successful run I would be golden, but sadly I can't seem to get back to high sec alive.


First rule of Eve- Don't fly something you cannot afford to lose.

Mine in High Sec, do missions in High Sec, or rat in High Sec (see a common theme here?)

Stay out of low / null if you don't have either the skills, the ships, the money, or a corp. You're not ready. You CAN make money in High Sec. I did it. I have hardly any mining skills. Seriously, my mining is really horrible, yet I was able to make money in High Sec by doing level 3 missions and mining occasionally. It can be done.

Stop flying ships you can't afford into null. What the hell are you trying to accomplish there anyway?

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Madam Lash
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-07-12 01:38:31 UTC
Saraki Ishikela wrote:
I have been doing exploration in both Null and Low for a few months and have yet to lose a ship. I say that not to brag, but to maybe add a small amount of credibility to the advice i'm about to dispense.

Invest in either an Astero or Cov Op Frig. I use an astero personally (4 Mids, 4 Lows, Cov Ops Cloak). Warping While Cloaked is a huge advantage and immediately ups your survival by a huge amount.

Next fit it for align time. I use 2 nano's on my astero and with my skills I get the align time under 2 seconds and that almost guarantees you can warp before anyone can put a point on you.

I don't run warp core stabilizers. I cloak and warp, or use the MWD Cloak trick to avoid bubbles.

I wont run a site if anyone is in local.

That being said I still D Scan and look for ships and probes. If I see either I leave.

I run with a flight of ECM Drones in space while I work a site, If I do get caught I hope to jam my opponent long enough to leave.

I set a loot limit on my travels. Once I reach 100m or a full cargo hold I go back to base. I then choose a new region to roam, don't let people predict where you'll be.

And because this is Eve, I also run with Warp Scram and Light Drones in case I find someone in a site.... :)


You won't get better advice than this - not saying others haven't given good advice either I should add but this is succinct and neatly in one place for you. My own personal preference is a cov-ops frig over the Astero simply because I don't like the recloak delay but if you can live with that then its a perfectly decent ship to be running in.
Varathius
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-07-12 07:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Varathius
If you see a neut in local, hiding will increase your survivability. But often greed > logic, and that is what gets people killed.
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