EVE General Discussion

I have been playing Eve off and on for the past 5 years. I have enjoyed many different parts of the game and eventually found myself living in W-space while following the Eve Meta. Reading forum posts, listening to podcasts, and checking the main news blogs have become a natural part of my life. The main problem that I have encountered with Eve, however, is that it is hard to see the good in our culture without seeing the bad.

The Eve community has some wonderful people in it, and I am surprised all the time by how helpful and nice pilots can be. I myself have made some friends in the most unlikely of ways, such as one of my closest friends in game, who I met by grabbing his name off the pod on d-scan I saw in a wormhole. He was stranded after his buzzard got popped by sleepers (accidental decloak) and my corp gave him an exit out.

The main problem is the fact that it does surprise people. It surprises people because unfortunately some of the most vocal members of the community are the trolls/bullies that we have in our amazing Universe. I have no problems with PvP, ganking, or even scamming. But when players looking for help encounter players who are simply trolling or spreading missinformation for a laugh, or when players look to collect "tears" for some strange satisfaction in the misery of another, it hurts us as a community.

There have been many times when I, an enthusiastic vet, have found myself searching the forums for posts on a particular topic and found someone with the exact same question I had. Upon reading these threads often I find that almost all, if not all, of the responses are sarcastic, trolling, or deliberately missleading, and often end with "use the search function". The problem is, I searched using the search function, and what I found was the missinformation. I know what is a troll response, but most players might not. This leads to the most outgoing new players being shunned by the bitter vets for just asking questions.

This is also why many players choose not to post on their main characters, because they are afraid of backlash from players if they ask an uniformed question, but then they are often trolled simply because they are posting from an NPC corp.

So, to get to the point of the post, I want to know how other players feel about the Eve community. This isn't a "be nice to new players so plex prices go down" thread, but I want to know what other vets think of the way we treat each other in Eve. And I don't mean in space, I mean how we treat each other as people. I know that I for one would love for Eve Online to be known for our helpful community, not a community of bullies.

Tldr: Eve has many nice players, we should encourage that and discourage bullies/trolls. What do you guys think?

One does not simply become "nice" or a "troll" because you (or I) happened to say that about the person. These are very subjective, and if we had figured out how to resolve these labels into absolutes, then maybe most of the internet would just implode and disappear.

You can't really control other people. What you can control is your reaction to them.

I don't get posts like this, I always wonder what the poster does when they watch cop movies.

I'm serious, do they go to cop movies (which always feature the tough , no-nonsense rule breaking tough guy cop who is going to bring down the bad guy, Constitution/laws be damned) and wish everyone was nice to each other?

How we treat each other? Who cares about how we treat each other? EVE is a mosh pit set in space.

The real question is this: if you are so sensitive that the 'bad' behavior bothers you, why would you have an internet connection in the 1st place choose to be a part of the EVE community?

TL;DR - If someone agrees with me they are nice, if they disagree with me they are trolls.

So i can't have your stuff?

How does one objectively decide naughty and nice?

Who should be the arbitrator of personality?

Where is the line where some are showered with sweeties and the rest showered with.... well, you know.

Not like this is a nugget of pure genius or anything, but the forum/meta of EVE accurately reflects the game itself. In the game, some people are helpful, kind, nice, etc. Good for them. Other people are sociopaths bordering on pure eeeevilllll. Good for them too. No matter who you want to be in EVE, you'll find like minded people who will join your cause. Same thing on the forums/meta EVE. Some people are helpful, some are total jerks. Whatever. If you want help, listen to the helpful and ignore the jerks. Pretty easy math, really.

Because some of us like to be proponents for positive change in the community we're a part of.

Better than regurgitating the same tired black and white bullshit reasoning every ******* post.

Eve is a reflection of what people choose to be in a game. RL nice poeple can be dicks , and other way around. To me there is not one community, but several on different levels. The borders are defined by the eula and each individual.

Removing bullies, is same as removing nice people, its putting your will upon others, good or bad. Its a patt of a game, within a framework. A grant moral plan doesnt work in real life , nor in game. Eve would also be very boring if u ask me.

In rl poeple are assholes or worse even with dire consequences to themselves and others, so dont exspect a game, with no consequences too actions be better.

Be a indivudual and decide, when and to whom, thats eve

I'm to pixel macho to be nice