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Criminal Suspect Flag Exploit In Highsec

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Raposao1978
#1 - 2014-07-11 19:25:38 UTC
Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?

It is the newest exploit to bait pilots into fights while giving the criminal suspect the advantage to re-dock while taking away the ability for the non-criminal suspect flagged pilot to dock.

Giving an advantage to a criminal suspect while taking away the same option from the non-criminal suspect seems to be an unintended consequence, an exploit being used by some pilots in highsec.


I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.

Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns.

Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking.

Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted.

Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots.

Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed.

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The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2014-07-11 19:26:56 UTC
Exploit.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


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Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-07-11 19:28:09 UTC
show me on the doll where the bad criminal touched you
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-07-11 19:29:03 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?

It is the newest exploit to bait pilots into fights while giving the criminal suspect the advantage to re-dock while taking away the ability for the non-criminal suspect flagged pilot to dock.

Giving an advantage to a criminal suspect while taking away the same option from the non-criminal suspect seems to be an unintended consequence, an exploit being used by some pilots in highsec.


I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.

Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns.

Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking.

Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted.

Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots.

Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed.


Translation: "I stupidly shot at someone and got killed because I don't know how things work, CCP please play the game for me"
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#5 - 2014-07-11 19:30:03 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done


You could, like, not engage them when they are on a docking ring.

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#6 - 2014-07-11 19:32:28 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done


You could, like, not engage them when they are on a docking ring.

Or if they dock up you may consider leaving the station for 60 seconds before warping back and dock yourself?

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-07-11 19:32:31 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done


You could, like, not engage them when they are on a docking ring.


Far too complex for your average forum rager. Hopefuly he petitioned too, wasting GM time and keeping them employed.

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#8 - 2014-07-11 19:32:34 UTC
dude, if you want 1vs1 go to low sec.

hunting down suspects in high sec is dumb especially if you know he is baiting you.

there is no exploit here, people just don't use common sense, cause really a-free-for-all-target is hanging out in a high density area is doing it just for the lulz, right?

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Spurty
#9 - 2014-07-11 19:33:09 UTC
Solution is to get 300 friends on comms with you undocked and ready. Guy goes suspect. You all lock him and shot on command (not at free will).

Poof goes his pixels.

Any other solution is going to fail hard.

Don't have 300 friends? Well tough *******.

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RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-07-11 19:33:22 UTC
If you think you have found an exploit, you're supposed to file a petition, not post about it on the public forum.

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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Giuseppe R Raimondo
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-07-11 19:34:13 UTC
Seems to me you got baited and are now crying in the forums about the oldest trick in the book, you are lucky he didn't undock 6 guardians to fight you. And btw if you attack someone on station and they dock just warp out, not like they have you pointed or something
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-11 19:36:30 UTC
OP, apparently you don't read your own posts.

Raposao1978 wrote:
EVE is a world wide game, you get to interact with all types of players and play styles, a lot of those interactions are not positive, so we have to deal with it. Remember it's only a game an if you are getting really really angry then that means it's a good game because you have become immersed in the game play. Train to get better, train to get even, train to get revenge. HTFU.


I don't get it. Were you lying when you posted this in the other thread?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2014-07-11 19:38:08 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?
How is it being exploited?

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I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.

1. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns.
2. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking.
3. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted.
4. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots.
1. Means removing the suspect timer completely. So no.
2. Already exists in the form of a weapons timer, so no.
3. Is nonsensical — no-one can “change their flagging status” — so no.
4. Removes the point both the suspect flag and the limited engagement, so no.

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Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed.
100% incorrect.

What you're describing is not an exploit and what you're suggesting as a “solution” to this non-issue shows a fundamental misunderstanding of every last aspect of CrimeWatch, its mechanisms, and its purpose.

So no.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-07-11 19:39:08 UTC
I accidentally killed an ally who was doing this recently. Turns out its pretty easy to bump a noctis 10km. Oops.

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-07-11 19:39:41 UTC
What ship were you in if you can't warp off in the 10 seconds + undocking ticks it takes for someone to do the thing you describe?
Raposao1978
#16 - 2014-07-11 19:40:34 UTC
For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked.

I thank you for your automatic foolish assumptions they are as sweet as tears.

I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation.


If you want to gank you take your chances, everyone knows that. This is an exploit for those without the courage to face the consequences of combat, they want a get out of combat free card to play by re-docking or switching status once you target them. So if you trolls stand with the cowards I fully support the right for you to choose to stand with your peers.

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Osirus Darksun
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-07-11 19:40:48 UTC
This is great Lol
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2014-07-11 19:44:00 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked.

I thank you for your automatic foolish assumptions they are as sweet as tears.

I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation.


If you want to gank you take your chances, everyone knows that. This is an exploit for those without the courage to face the consequences of combat, they want a get out of combat free card to play by re-docking or switching status once you target them. So if you trolls stand with the cowards I fully support the right for you to choose to stand with your peers.

How is it an exploit? Station games always have been, and always will be a part of Eve.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#19 - 2014-07-11 19:45:13 UTC
Bad idea in the wrong forum. Figures.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2014-07-11 19:45:16 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation.
It's not.

Quote:
This is an exploit
No. Your unfamiliarity with the mechanics does not turn their use into an exploit.
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