EVE General Discussion

There is a remove local lesson here somewhere

I agree with the OP. I even think every warpable object should be probed down in WH space. That way WH space will stay a truly different enviroment.

Small edit: Since my post ended up right between two others, I made it a bit clearer who it is I agree with (the OP).

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Ramonas claim that wormhole are safer to mine in than highsec is not true. Wormholes don't have local chat, and when you throw a cloaky nullified T3 in the mix, the miner will often never see the hunter coming and although they can do things to mitigate the risks, they can never stop a new hostile wormhole spawning in the system they are mining in.

As a hunter all you need to do is jump through the wormhole, warp to the ore site and kill the miner... The question is, is it too easy for the hunter and should they have to combat scan the miner so that the interaction is well balanced for both the hunter and the hunted.

You can't bubble a roaming wormhole that hasn't spawned in your system yet

Bubbles don't stop nullified ships

Bubbles don't drag nullified ships

I'm aware that local exists so i'm not sure what point you are trying to make

You can't stop someone entering your wormhole forever

Apparently


*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

WH mining can be safe, for sure, just like running sites can be safe. Far safer than HS as well. However it takes a lot of preparation and permanent vigilance the entire time to make it. Crashing your static, crashing all K162's, constantly force refreshing the Discovery Scanner. And yes traps and the such can be set up.

Everytime you log in you need to redo all this in case there's been a K162 that only lasted while you were offline. The high likelyhood of messing up one or more steps is what makes it so insanely dangerous. A hunter needs at most a minute to be on top of you from a fresh K162. Not many people (excluding bot assisted ones) can keep up force refreshing the Discovery Scanner constantly like that for hours and hours on end.

Making the Ore's back to Signatures would give that extra layer of protection. It's mostly theoretical protection from a good hunter but it's better than nothing.

It makes it more interesting for Hunters too. I miss having to put actual effort in to catching Miners. Trying to get that 100% from a single combat probe pass made it much more interesting.

yeah the ore sites should be a sig again even in empire, i warped to help a new guy mine with the use of my orca and as i warped to the site i saw a ganker jump in system, warp off and i landed as the rookie miner exploded.
blowing up miners doesnt remove isk from the game, just causes it to change hands, if i was to start a ganking group id have bigger fish to fry on a daily basis.

I have removed some replies to edited out parts of the quoted posts and those quoting them.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

Thread reopened.

Whatever happened to the days when corps would send attack ships to guard their miners during mining operations?

Same thing as in High Sec

Nothing

Adapt like we did. Close all your entrances and lock yourself in. The changes to the probe screen means as soon as new sig appears you can all get safe long before any hostiles have a chance to get within range of your miners. It really pisses them off no end.

Oh course, you are still vulnerable to anyone cloaked thats already in your hole, but thats half the fun of wh-space!