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Norris Packard

Horde Vanguard.

Pandemic Horde

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#21 - 2011-12-06 23:53:38 UTC | Edited by: Norris Packard

MetalDev wrote:

Destroyers need some love. Its like they were completely ignored. They dont really do much of anything particularly well, and you never see them. Maybe tier 2 destroyers should be made and a bit less useless. Theyre a relic from early days of eve

They came out with Tier 1 BCs and this is the first time I can recall that they have been touched other than the tech 2 Interdictor nerf.

Edit: Forgot about the added role bonuses... Still that was ages ago.

Khrage

Likes received: 191

#22 - 2011-12-07 00:25:01 UTC

Norris Packard wrote:

Destroyers on the other hand are escort vessels to protect the fleet from smaller threats such as drones and frigates they are there for fire support and while I would love to see more variety of destroyers out there cramming on medium weapon systems really has no role.

^this.

MetalDev wrote:

they just got a buff from crucible. where have you been?

Khrage

Likes received: 191

#23 - 2011-12-07 00:39:49 UTC

Filan Fyretracker wrote:

Tier 2 destroyers would be pretty awesome. caldari one with 8 light launchers(Super-Kestral! basically).

Wyte Ragnarok wrote:

Max Von Sydow wrote:

light missiles for caldari

A new Caldari destroyer with 8 light missile launchers would be quite fun

the Flycatcher already as 6 launchers bonused three times. get a caracal and strap on 5 bonused assault launchers (light missiles).

Norris Packard

Horde Vanguard.

Pandemic Horde

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#24 - 2011-12-07 06:45:31 UTC

Khrage wrote:

Filan Fyretracker wrote:

Tier 2 destroyers would be pretty awesome. caldari one with 8 light launchers(Super-Kestral! basically).

Wyte Ragnarok wrote:

Max Von Sydow wrote:

light missiles for caldari

A new Caldari destroyer with 8 light missile launchers would be quite fun

the Flycatcher already as 6 launchers bonused three times. get a caracal and strap on 5 bonused assault launchers (light missiles).

Flycatchers have problems of their own and don't have the fittings to deal with LMLs. Caracals fitted with AMLs are your best bet and they can be polycarboned to be just as fast as a destroyer if you really need to and are much more durable.

Khrage

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#25 - 2011-12-07 07:13:01 UTC | Edited by: Khrage

Norris Packard wrote:

regardless adding another whole dessy class ship with a full rack of launcher hard points doesn't fit a niche that CCP wants. i find that quite evident since both the heretic and flycatcher are limited to just 6 launchers as well as the eris only having 4. and if they did they would just buff the flycatcher/heretic to do so.

Norris Packard

Horde Vanguard.

Pandemic Horde

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#26 - 2011-12-07 07:39:33 UTC

Khrage wrote:

Norris Packard wrote:

That is not the best comparison to use as they are very clearly outclassed by the Saber the only Interdictor that fields 7 of the same weapon. Eris is a split bonused ship and the Heretic had been originally (they updated it later). These ships could easily be updated with a seventh launcher hardpoint bringing them more in line with the saber. The other reason that looking at the interdictors as a judge for numbers of weapons on normal destroyers is not the best plan is that most interdictor fits forgo many of their weapon hardpoints already for being able to double bubble. Their ability to double bubble and blockade not just one side of a gate but both is why they are unique and interesting choices for bringing into fleets, if they did not have this ability then there would be no reason to utilize them and everyone would fly the much more survivable HICs. But because of the use of double bubbles it makes the need for that 7th weapon slot unnecessary as 6 slots are the most you will have for filling with weapons on most interdictors. This is not the case for tech 1 destroyers and so a 7-8 slot missile destroyer could be a reasonable ship for CCP to create.

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Zarnak Wulf Task Force 641 Empyrean Edict Likes received: 1,855	#27 - 2011-12-07 08:00:15 UTC I read on eve 24 that tucked away in the patch notes is a little detail. Launching a bubble is an act of aggression now. You can't jump and double bubble anymore. Can anyone else confirm?


Norris Packard Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde Likes received: 53	#28 - 2011-12-07 08:19:23 UTC Zarnak Wulf wrote: I read on eve 24 that tucked away in the patch notes is a little detail. Launching a bubble is an act of aggression now. You can't jump and double bubble anymore. Can anyone else confirm? If that's true then that's the last nail in the coffin for interdictors... Hope that is not the case. I will try to check that out ASAP.

Archare

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 116

#29 - 2011-12-07 08:30:51 UTC

Zarnak Wulf wrote:

I read on eve 24 that tucked away in the patch notes is a little detail. Launching a bubble is an act of aggression now. You can't jump and double bubble anymore. Can anyone else confirm?

Yes this is true and was in the patch notes

Quote:

Modules

Launching a warp disrupt probe will give you aggression and prevent you from docking or jumping.

http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=3219


Zarnak Wulf Task Force 641 Empyrean Edict Likes received: 1,855	#30 - 2011-12-07 08:36:25 UTC Eve 24

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munkape Perfusus Sanguine Pandemic Horde Likes received: 0	#31 - 2011-12-07 08:57:56 UTC MetalDev wrote: Destroyers need some love. Its like they were completely ignored. They dont really do much of anything particularly well, and you never see them. Maybe tier 2 destroyers should be made and a bit less useless. Theyre a relic from early days of eve Agreed, destroyers do seem kinda pointless! They would be good fun if you could make use of them.


Archare Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 116	#32 - 2011-12-07 09:01:18 UTC Along with this there was a "bug" reported and fixed with this change.... drones assisting a interdictor would shoot the interdictor pilot for "aggressing" himself when he launched the bubble resulting in hilarity. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=469051#post469051

Norris Packard

Horde Vanguard.

Pandemic Horde

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#33 - 2011-12-07 09:11:09 UTC

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, would have been bad to lose a dictor thinking I could still double bubble. What is the point of flying an interdictor over a HIC now? It can't even lock down both sides of a gate anymore it is paper thin and doesn't bring any DPS to a gang. Seems to me that they have lost any real point to using them. Too bad because they were an interesting element of combat before.

Ministry of War Amarr Empire 515
Naomi Knight Ministry of War Amarr Empire Likes received: 515	#34 - 2011-12-07 09:32:38 UTC what about split weapon system they could field 2 larger ones and 4 smaller ones with bonuses for both :P

Rhastafan

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#35 - 2011-12-07 10:00:48 UTC

Dam my post was eaten.

When I was thinking about new up-gunned destroyers I had in mind light cruisers; we currently have heavy (aka armored) cruisers but not light cruisers.

CT - Corvette
FF - Frigate
DD - Destroyer
CL - Light Cruiser
CA - Heavy Cruiser
BC - Battlecruiser
BB - Battleship

The new destroyers would have the role of leading sub-cruiser fleets and providing range and firepower to deal with enemy destroyers in opposing sub-cruiser fleets without the cost of a full cruiser. To keep them from having more firepower than current cruisers I would limit them to using 5 (maybe 6?) high slots for weapons and have the rest strictly utility. Perhaps in a pinch they could be used to get under the guns of battleships?

Heun zero

MAYHEM BOYZ

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#36 - 2011-12-07 12:17:33 UTC

Alara IonStorm wrote:

Goose99 wrote:

Alara IonStorm wrote:

Fix My Lasers wrote:

Since new non-Winmatar t3 BCs are useless

The amount of stupidity in this statement is...

Well it is frankly just incredible.

There, I fixed that for you. Happy? Big smile

Fair enough.

Though the Amarr one is not bad to be honest.

But god the Nado is just somethin else.

fixed that for ya

Alara IonStorm

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#37 - 2011-12-07 12:43:13 UTC

Heun zero wrote:

Alara IonStorm wrote:

Goose99 wrote:

Alara IonStorm wrote:

Fix My Lasers wrote:

Since new non-Winmatar t3 BCs are useless

The amount of stupidity in this statement is...

Well it is frankly just incredible.

There, I fixed that for you. Happy? Big smile

Fair enough.

Though the Amarr one is not bad to be honest.

But god the Nado is just somethin else.

Fixed that for ya.

You should start each sentence with a capital letter and end it with a period.

Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 5,214
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 5,214	#38 - 2011-12-07 13:45:29 UTC The catalyst can currently reach 750 DPS, now give it medium blasters... `5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!! If You Like My Sig, Like Me! Remember EVE is EVErything!`

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Fist1 Phantoms of Kyros Likes received: 4	#39 - 2011-12-08 00:21:05 UTC 1-Up Mushroom wrote: The catalyst can currently reach 750 DPS, now give it medium blasters... I would love to see that fit.

No Salvation Divine Damnation 4,453
Liang Nuren No Salvation Divine Damnation Likes received: 4,453	#40 - 2011-12-08 00:22:37 UTC 1-Up Mushroom wrote: The catalyst can currently reach 750 DPS, now give it medium blasters... Hmmm: - T2 ROF rig - Faction MFS - Neutron IIs, Void S - Overheated - 5% Hardwirings What else? -Liang I'm an idiot, don't mind me.