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Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#21 - 2014-07-11 11:05:35 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Bubbles, all of a sudden? I thought you said lowsec…



Low sec/null sec. 0.4 and below.


The problem is you are running the sites in a magnate, which is a weak ship which cant cloak and warp like covops frigs.

You might be able to pull this of in lowsec, but in null sec you are as good as dead. If you have never lived in null sec: All null sec entities use intelchannels. You will be reported in there as well in what ship you fly. All people in that channel can see your movement, and since you are in a weak ass frigate, someone with a decent cruiser and a deployable bubble, or someone in a sabre can easily pick you off.

My recommendations:

1. Do not go into null sec.
2. Use a covops frigate (can warp cloaked)
3. Use an interceptor (bubble immunity)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#22 - 2014-07-11 11:15:17 UTC
Use an athema? Can't spell it properly, it's the t2 magnate hull, or an astero( easier to get into but much pricier).
Ralen Zateki
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#23 - 2014-07-11 11:15:19 UTC
I get the sense that the real purpose of the thread isn't to complain about getting killed doing explo, but rather to demonstrate OP's mastery at applying a completely helpless, deterministic, defeatest attitude toward any sound advice of staying alive. I can guarantee you that a sure fire way to die is to say "it's hopeless" at every turn...

Such determination to get killed. Admirable.

No reason being pessimistic, nothing's going to work anyway....

Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-07-11 11:30:52 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:

When I die with 50+ million isk loot I get less willing to play anymore.

Well, according to your killboard you have lost 55mio in total, with the most expensive loss being around 20mio.

Most of those losses where in nullsec. In Nullsec warp disruption spheres are allowed, which means almost certain death for a T1 frig.
-> Don't go to null with a magnate.

Some losses where in low sec.
I guess the crow caught you in a site.... Don't hack sites if someone is on local and you don't know exactly what they are doing. People who live in low sec often scan down and bookmark data/relic sites and then come back in fast ships if they think someone has entered the site.
Also a Magnate shouldn't be caught in low sec at a gate, ever! Search for cloak+mwd trick on youtube.
Victor Andall
#25 - 2014-07-11 11:44:22 UTC
Covops for null
Dscan for low

And if you fly a covops into null you can make a heapload of ISK by afk cloaking. I'm not sure how it works, but people seem to be really pissed off about it cutting into their income, so I assume it's profitable somehow.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#26 - 2014-07-11 11:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
No reason you can't take a t1 into 0.0.

Fit a regular cloak in high. If you jump into a camp cloak+mwd perpendicular to the gate (or back to the gate if a big camp). Wait until you have slowboated far enough away before you decloak and warp. You should not be warping into bubbles in the first place as you will be dscanning the gate from a nearby celestial or a perch made by dumping capacitor. Any bubbles put up after you enter warp will not affect you. Use dotlan and in game map to get statistics on obvious camped systems (usually bottleneck systems). While in the site you watch local for neutral coming in, you will be keeping at range >2000m from the can so you can cloak up instantly if they come in.

The reward/risk ratio of nullsec hacking justifies any losses you get in a t1 frigate in the few cases you completely derp.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#27 - 2014-07-11 12:06:23 UTC
Ioci wrote:
You nailed something that bugs me about EVE to no end.

Whole area's of EVE, nobody there, nobody there, nobody there. Try and do something and fleets show up like magic. And not just in system. At the site. They can be at a site in 10% of the time it takes you to scan it down.

I don't want to get in to the whole tinfoil hat thing and how people use third party API information but any way you slice it the game is designed in such a way you are pretty much insured failure. I stopped caring ages ago but I've always refused to pretend it doesn't happen.


You are certain to fail, the point is the make enough to cover your losses and still come out ahead on a net basis. You do this by following really simple procedures and training Paranoia V.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-07-11 12:11:44 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
I don't understand what am I suppost to do to avoid this, but it's getting tedious i'm constantly getting killed and constantly draining isk. I just lost 50 million isk just now after a low sec Hacking run, just my luck the place that had 2 jumps in the last hour no ships destroyed. 10 people come through kill me instantly and I lost it all. I just returned to eve online and I used to do this stuff all the time, I've done oficially 6 exploration to low sec space runs and each time I get killed. I do everything in my willpower to avoid it. I warp in 70km away from the warpgate... I use my directional scanner every 5 seconds. I take paths that have no ships destroyed in the last hour, the least populated. I'm so frustrated from Dying and I know it's gonna happen but when i've lost over 520 million isk I think it's a problem. What can I do to avoid this.

My fit is usually cheap:
Magnate
2 gravity rigs
1 mn micro warp drive
4 warp core stabs
relic/data analyzer
Core probe launcher.. 8 scanner probes
Prototype cloaking device

Pretty much under 3 million isk.

When I die with 50+ million isk loot I get less willing to play anymore. I understand that dying is gonna happen "ALOT" but when it's every time... I'm trying to make some money, but right now i'm draining money.

Is there a better way to make money?



Your problem is that your ship is easy to lock and kill. Covert ops is much more survivable.

Other then that, drop 2 warp core stabs and fit 2 inertia stabilizers. ability to warp out quickly is more important then a chance someone might put 4 points on you in less then 5 seconds.

Have you considered scanning out a wormhole to null-sec and bypassing gatecamps altogether? Use the shortcuts to your advantage, go though wormhole space.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2014-07-11 12:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Imo ,
nanofiber internal weave > inertia stab,
because of Sig radius.

Also, search Johnny pew and. Zaqq on YouTube, they both do (rather well )what you are trying to do , both share their fits and explain why they use what they do.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2014-07-11 12:22:48 UTC
Ioci wrote:
You nailed something that bugs me about EVE to no end.

Whole area's of EVE, nobody there, nobody there, nobody there. Try and do something and fleets show up like magic. And not just in system. At the site. They can be at a site in 10% of the time it takes you to scan it down.

I don't want to get in to the whole tinfoil hat thing and how people use third party API information but any way you slice it the game is designed in such a way you are pretty much insured failure. I stopped caring ages ago but I've always refused to pretend it doesn't happen.


Why would you say you don't want to get into the Tin Foil Hat stuff than Tin fol Hat your post lol. No one is cheating, it's just that other people know exactly what they are doing and do it every day, practice makes perfect.

And don't confuse random encounters for "every time i do X, they show up". That's a perception mistake like how people will say "I always catch the red lights when driving trough town". They don't always catch the red lights, it's just that our brains are hardwired to remember when something we don't like happens (red light when we are in a hurry) and ignore something when it goes our way 'like it's supposed to' (Green lights all the way through town).



To the OP, here is something you need to consider. you ask if there are better ways to make isk, you shouldn't be asking that because you obviously haven't mastered the way your doing it now yet. Thousands upon thousands of people play in low and null every day without dying. If you are dying, it means you have a lot to learn and/or skill for.

For example and as people above have said, you need to learn the MWD/Cloak trick. You need to improve your skills to the point where you are never in a site for very long. You need to pick space that isn't someone's hunting ground. And you need to control your emotions, frustration leads to sloppiness of quitting and can be deadly.

See each death as an opportunity and challenge to improve.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-07-11 12:24:48 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Use an athema? Can't spell it properly, it's the t2 magnate hull, or an astero( easier to get into but much pricier).


Anathema.

noun \ə-ˈna-thə-mə\

: someone or something that is very strongly disliked

Definition:

1
a : one that is cursed by ecclesiastical authority
b : someone or something intensely disliked or loathed —usually used as a predicate nominative
2
a : a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication
b : the denunciation of something as accursed
c : a vigorous denunciation : curse

And yes, an Anathema should be helpful, they cost around 18-19 Million per piece, but sometimes you can be lucky and get one for 15.
If you cannot afford that, you have no business in null anyway, IMHO.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#32 - 2014-07-11 12:27:28 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Use an athema? Can't spell it properly, it's the t2 magnate hull, or an astero( easier to get into but much pricier).


Anathema.

noun \ə-ˈna-thə-mə\

: someone or something that is very strongly disliked

Definition:

1
a : one that is cursed by ecclesiastical authority
b : someone or something intensely disliked or loathed —usually used as a predicate nominative
2
a : a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication
b : the denunciation of something as accursed
c : a vigorous denunciation : curse

And yes, an Anathema should be helpful, they cost around 18-19 Million per piece, but sometimes you can be lucky and get one for 15.
If you cannot afford that, you have no business in null anyway, IMHO.

Blowing these up is always worth a smile.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#33 - 2014-07-11 12:39:53 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Imo ,
nanofiber internal weave > inertia stab,
because of Sig radius.

Also, search Johnny pew and. Zaqq on YouTube, they both do (rather well )what you are trying to do , both share their fits and explain why they use what they do.

The sig increase should still be less than the signature increase lowers time to lock it.
First do the math, then decide the module.

If you align 0.4 seconds faster but the signature increase is only enough for 0.2,
then you still win. I always use inertias, never saw a reason not to.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#34 - 2014-07-11 13:03:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ioci wrote:
You nailed something that bugs me about EVE to no end.

Whole area's of EVE, nobody there, nobody there, nobody there. Try and do something and fleets show up like magic. And not just in system. At the site. They can be at a site in 10% of the time it takes you to scan it down.

I don't want to get in to the whole tinfoil hat thing and how people use third party API information but any way you slice it the game is designed in such a way you are pretty much insured failure. I stopped caring ages ago but I've always refused to pretend it doesn't happen.


Why would you say you don't want to get into the Tin Foil Hat stuff than Tin fol Hat your post lol. No one is cheating, it's just that other people know exactly what they are doing and do it every day, practice makes perfect.

And don't confuse random encounters for "every time i do X, they show up". That's a perception mistake like how people will say "I always catch the red lights when driving trough town". They don't always catch the red lights, it's just that our brains are hardwired to remember when something we don't like happens (red light when we are in a hurry) and ignore something when it goes our way 'like it's supposed to' (Green lights all the way through town).



I have taken that in to consideration. People look for patterns, it's what we do. My experience in EVE has been there is a pattern of people showing up in places at just the right time far too often for it to be a coincidence. Even if there is no meta exploit involved the content by design becomes gimmickry due to realistic, low success ratios.

If you want to make ISK, stay in high Sec, OP.
Null and low for a lone, single account are at best lottery conditions to get out with a pay day.

My guess is, you find it boring. That's the trade off to safe and secure ISK. Safe is boring but if you are broke, that's what you need to focus on.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#35 - 2014-07-11 13:08:47 UTC
Wait

How can you not afford a CovOps if you lost 50m?

How come you said Lowsec in the OP but now its Null we are talking about?

How were they on you instantly?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#36 - 2014-07-11 13:41:56 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Wait

How can you not afford a CovOps if you lost 50m?

How come you said Lowsec in the OP but now its Null we are talking about?

How were they on you instantly?



Even with what I posted above you, this is the problem with Null and low.

What do I think happened? Someone came in to system 5 or 10 minutes earlier, left and might have even done it a few times. The OP wasn't destroyed, never saw anyone and assumed it was random traffic. It wasn't. He lost his ship because he didn't lose his ship if you understand what I am saying. He was given a false sense of security and it was planned.

It still applies my logic on null and low. As soon as someone comes through, you are done ratting or scanning and it happens almost immediately or it does for me. ISK making opportunities in low and Null are very short lived if you aren't behind an intell wall 5 systems deep.

It isn't about his ship or his fit. It's his choice in habit and decisions on content. He doesn't belong there and never will. NPC corp = spy in EVE. Go back to high sec.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Jamagh
Grand Violations
#37 - 2014-07-11 15:42:04 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Bubbles, all of a sudden? I thought you said lowsec…



Low sec/null sec. 0.4 and below.


Fly a cov ops if you're going into null. It's basically impossible to die.

Without a cov ops cloak, you need to use the MWD+cloak trick to get out a bubble.

In lowsec itself, you should never be dying except to people who are going all out with remote sebos.



See I would, but I can't afford it... I can't afford the ship because I can't get the isk. "Every time I've gone into low and null I die"
I do get like 50 million isk+ in my inventory If I had one successful run I would be golden, but sadly I can't seem to get back to high sec alive.



Maybe you should try something else until you CAN afford the ship. Sure it is not what you want to do, but it is all about working towards a goal. You want to do data sites, you need a better ship. So you do other things until you can get that better ship. It takes time. EVE is not about instant gratification. And while you are waiting to get that nice covet ops frigate, train your skills up. That way you are even better in that ship. Just think how nice it will be when you have all your skills at 4/5 for that ship.

"Please stop reopening silly rumor threads."  CCP Navigator.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-07-11 15:49:15 UTC
Ioci wrote:


What do I think happened? Someone came in to system 5 or 10 minutes earlier, left and might have even done it a few times. The OP wasn't destroyed, never saw anyone and assumed it was random traffic. It wasn't. He lost his ship because he didn't lose his ship if you understand what I am saying. He was given a false sense of security and it was planned.

It still applies my logic on null and low. As soon as someone comes through, you are done ratting or scanning and it happens almost immediately or it does for me. ISK making opportunities in low and Null are very short lived if you aren't behind an intell wall 5 systems deep.

It isn't about his ship or his fit. It's his choice in habit and decisions on content.

I totally agree, if you are data or relic or even combat scannign in Low, you cloak as soon as someone comes in and D-Scan. You spam the D till you know who they are and what they are flying. If/when they leave, drop cloak and continue.
False senses of security get you killed.

Ioci wrote:
He doesn't belong there and never will. NPC corp = spy in EVE. Go back to high sec.


This bit I dont agree with though

Just a bit of experience and training, and less rage/tears, and Im sure he would be fine.



"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#39 - 2014-07-11 16:09:10 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
I have no idea what level your skills are at but I like using an Astero and I relic hunt in Null. Low sec is pretty crappy after the last update. Heck there are empty cans in null now. Use a covert ops cloaking device.

Use wormholes to travel to null. Flying through gatecamps to get to null is not the smart way to go. Find a nice quiet corner somewhere and run relic sites when you are the only player in the system. You can hack cans at 5000 meters and instantly cloak if anyone else comes into the system.

Good luck.


So even if someone is in local I should go and hide?


Safest way to go.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#40 - 2014-07-11 16:13:53 UTC
Ioci wrote:
You nailed something that bugs me about EVE to no end.

Whole area's of EVE, nobody there, nobody there, nobody there. Try and do something and fleets show up like magic. And not just in system. At the site. They can be at a site in 10% of the time it takes you to scan it down.


I don't think that this is more shadowy than good intel and pre-scanned sites. I have gone 50 jumps in null without seeing another player.
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