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can you give us the new stats pretty please? ^^

Thanks for the attention. Sorry for being so blunt, but this is important, and you did not seem to believe me with your initial reply.

BTW, I have fiddled with the combinations and permutations of the max runs/copies when copying capital component BPO's. The UI will accept up to 7 copies at once, each 40 runs, for a duration of 31 days.

40 runs per copy is definitely the max cap on runs per copy, even for capital BPO's.
If you are going to allow this kind of carnage of the capital BPC market, so be it. (280 runs of capital components versus the 50 today in roughly the same time) Nothing I can do to stop you.

But at least fix the UI so it shows maximum runs at 40 rather than 20 (right above the BPO icon).


BTW, I can also do 3 copies of 1 run Archon's, in the same 31 day period.

Clearly, you have set this up so the max runs / copies is based on approx a 31 day cap, rather than quantity of runs/ copies.

yay nothing changes, if you're not massively bulk building.

doubt greyscale cares about small cap producers :)

When will you be re-running the upgrade script so we can see the real effect on Sisi?

MDD

First let me compliment the dev team on producing a much improved industry UI. Very pretty, and very newbie-friendly.

Also very newbie-friendly? The elimination of manufacturing and research slots, the changes to skill requirements, and the changes to material waste/efficiency. In fact, the overall changes to industry are SO newbie friendly that I am thinking of replacing my entire trained, veteran workforce with unskilled, undocumented, and unpaid workers.

I created a brand new character on SiSi to see what he could offer me. At one minute of age, and zero additional skills trained, I found he could do T1 blueprint material efficiency research, time efficiency research, and copying. At ten minutes of age, after training the Industry skill to level one, he could manufacture a T1 battleship.

Now I remember when I first manufactured, as a newbie, being discouraged by the waste and inefficiency caused by my lack of skills. That's all gone now. My TEN MINUTE OLD CHARACTER can build a Dominix with the exact same amount of materials that I or my trained co-workers can. Granted, he cannot do it as quickly, taking about a third more time. And unless I train him for ten more hours to pick up a level of Mass Production, he can only build with one slot. But guess what? He has lots of friends! So all I really need to do is expand the size of my unskilled workforce, and I can build at whatever rate I want.

I haven't figured out how to start a trial account on SiSi to test, but I can't find any reason that a trial account character won't be able to do the same jobs as my ten minute old newbie character. And since trial accounts are, you know, free, I'm guessing you can have all the industrial capacity you might want at zero cost.

Of course managing 3000 alts on 1000 trial accounts will be a major clickfest. But as an EVE player (particularly one involved in industry and trade), I have repeatedly demonstrated my willingness to endure clickfests. So I think I'll be okay with it. I just hope nobody else does the same thing.

I am also looking at my invented BPC's on TQ. Most are -4, -4.
I see they have been converted to 6% ME, 14% TE, on Singularity

I also see that their raw material requirements, for the items that remain, are up 50-60%.
Is that going to stay that way, or is that efficiency formula also broken like researched BPO's?

still pretty useless to research carrier bpos as the improvement is just too low . hence the idea to just change components to make the me levels meaningful.

have you read the part where CCP explicitly said that all cost values on SiSi are complete garbage ?

oh, and highsec players have a lot of control over who builds where. guns don't just work in nullsec.

I've never manufactured before, but decided to run through the manufacturing tutorial to see what the changes were like.

Steps 1 & 2 or the aura manufacturing tutorial talk about and direct you to relocate to "a station with Industrial Station Services". I assume that means slots and I thought they had gone.

Step 1 refers to reprocessing items as a source of minerals equivalent to mining or the market. Given the changes to item reprocessing I suggest this is taken out or highlighted as being much worse.

Everything else seemed to make sense.

they are still a valid source. halved mineral content only means that they will become cheaper (when there is no other use-case). we will probably also see reduced supply because looting is gonna be less profitable than it is now. But salvage and meta 4 loot is always in demand, so people will continue looting.

the ISK - minerals ratio will be the same after a short adjustment phase, the compression rate is still pretty good, so yeah, meta loot is a valid source of minerals.