Player Features and Ideas Discussion

EVE is dying, AND NOW with added plex prices brought into the discussion.

Clearly if people are allowed to just mission even more easily, this will solve everything?

Why ? PLEX Price and game mechanics of course !

I have to run 3 accounts, but I don't have time anymore to shoot red boxes, even running in a perfect incursion fleet, wich is the best payout, only pays 200 M an hour,

so with plex keeping skyrocketing tou will have to shoot boring red boxes for 5 ou 6 hours.

High Sec LVL 4 payout is s**t, 0.0 anoms gives to much stress (AFK Cloaking, hotdrops, ceptors getting on you within seconds, Tons of scrambling rats), NOBODY wants to

be stressed, it's a game. There are tons of free to play games outside, wich also have awesome communities ( and devs who actually listen to their community, and not try

to break more and more the game with stupid pain in the ass mechanics).

The result is simple, I think most of us are able to make enough iskies to Plex their accounts, but then you have no money left to buy and explode ships and you are not

willing to engage them in combat with all the consequences that may come : more boring grinding or having to buy a far too much expensive PLEX. It's very simple, loosing

a fully fit battleship costs you 15 €, a nice TII cruiser 10 € (also one of the reasons PvP is dying), this is not acceptable.

There is only one solution to this : subscription should be mandatory, 1 account = 1 paypal/credit card/wire transfer, no matter what paid account with 3 characters

slots availaible and multiple character training activated, so you can enjoy every aspect of the game (1 industry toon, 1 PvP, 1 Pve...as you wish)

If you want to be an "Elite" PvPer with your own fleetbooster and logistics logged in, you will have to pay for 3 accounts...period.

This way CCP as a guaranted income each month and all player starts on an equal basis, the guy who don't have much time to spent on the game because he as a job, won't

get dunked by the hobo or the nullsec Lord who can sustain for free his very own multiboxed 10 characters fleet.

Then, PvE rewards should be dramaticaly increased, 1 hour of solo missionning or 30 min doing 0.0 anims should make you enough ISK to buy a fully fit T2 / faction

cruiser, involving in community activities like FW or Incursions should earn you enough for a BS.

Finally, for those who still would be bad at making ISK in games PLEX prices should be decreased, may be 10 € for a billion, and the follow inflation.

Now I see you coming 1) how would this improve game experience, and 2) how would it improve PvP if everyone can dunk each other with expensive stuff ?


1) Like said before nobody wants to be stressed or scared of loosing stuff (real money for those who don't have time to grind), in EVE adrenaline rush comes from the fera of loosing real money or having to grind for weeks, there is no instant fun, only fear of loosing stuffs, do you call this a game experience ?


2) So now nearly everybody can fly a nice pimped ship, what would be the benefit of PvPing ? Again a very simple solution, give people a reason to PvP !

here is a small list of ideas (not all mines, some have already been exposed) :

- Give a small skill points boost

- remove deadspace / faction / officer loots from PvE drops and make them availaible trought a "PvP Store", an item would cost an amount of kill points + ISK (we still isk sinks !), solo killmails could decrease the amount of ISK needed

etc...


There are a lot of old players that are against those ideas, because they don't want to see the game become casual and like playing the metagame and making IRL profits from it, problem is that today's people don't want to commit much (video games are a waste of time, always have this in mind...), they want instant cheap fun, wich is exactly the opposite of EvE.


This is not my Company, this is not my Job, and this isn't even my favorite game, i'm just saying decision must be made NOW before everything collapses. CCP still don't give real subs/unsubs numbers, but everyone can see that there is less and less people logging on...Even when there is 50 000 characters online, how many are multiple accounts ?

If I AFK cloak 0.0, I will remove the fun people get from doing 0.0 anoms, they'll get bored, and unsub,

If I suicide gank mission, incursion and industry bears, I will remove the fun they have doing this, they'll get bored, and unsub,

EVE will die,

15 € for a montlhy sub is OK, its even cheaper if you sub for a whole year,

Turning EvE in a second job or having to pay 19€ a PLEX that barely pays for a faction BS is not OK.

Get the fact: Some people will always join and some will always leave a game like EVE. There is nothing you can do about it.

EVE is a very special game which requires patience, frustration-tolerance and creativity to be entertaining. All three mentioned characteristics are currently out of fashion... but fashion changes over time. Since EVE has a stable base of core players and CCP is really working hard on providing new content (with now even shorter cycles of 6 weeks) I am confident that it will survive the time until patience, frustration-tolerance and creativity will be in vogue again. This might be soon in just 10 years or so :-)

If you're dying to someone multiboxing in PVP they either have a staggering asset advantage or you're just really really bad.

Edit: Either way you should be reassessing your tactics and approach.

U missed out:
- Get friends
- Dunk multiboxing PvPer in 10mil shitfit frigs
- Loot elite multiboxing PvPer's wrecks
- Profit

This is indeed my only character, I have no alts. The other members of my corp are either personal friends or family.

Your picture of my history is not completely off. I had another character in 2004 that I played for a couple of years, but lost the account name somehow. When I got back into the game, I created this character to be a combat pilot with the intention of escorting some friends' mining ships. That is what I spent much of my time in Providence doing. I have no kills because I don't care to fit scrams, so long as attackers go away I am satisfied. I lost a few ships, drove off more than a few, and spent spare time ratting belts while my friends munched rocks. The PvP ops and such didn't interest me, I attended a few but they were largely hours of sitting and chatting with a few moments of play. I'm a family man who works a full time job, I like to get on and play, not get on and talk on an open party line while waiting to play. As I have no interest in harassing others to get my jollys, this means I do some Missions or something with a friend if they happen to be online. Why should it matter? I hold a different playstyle than most, it does not invalidate my experience or opinion.

Thing is, that is as much sandbox as someone shooting at me. I set my goal and make my game what I wish it to be. I am not complaining that people occasionally come and attack me--- it honestly rarely happens.

Fix the new player experience.
Remove the game grind.

People quit because the game UI and design is poor and requires to much effort for not enough reward. CCP need to fix the terrible UI which is not intuitive and requires you to get click 1,000's of times through multiple windows and pop up boxes.

I am not saying we need to dumb down the game, but even experienced players find the game tedious. Playing for hours to achieve nothing is boring and not the purpose of playing a game.

We want to have small successes and losses and big successes and losses. If a new player only see losses and don't have the infrastructure or skill base to replace what they lose quickly (which experienced players do) they will always quit.

This is exactly what I mean. I don't see an issue with areas of the game taking time to learn and master, or even the time it takes to complete tasks.

Its the poor UI design which make simple task too repetitive and tedious. Poor tutorials which requires so much reading for the new player, it is information overload. There are much better methods for communicating game mechanics and concepts than asking players to read slabs of text.

So if CCP makes some change and when that change comes out 100% of the games players leave you expect them to not reverse their decision and publicize to get players back. You look at this as a game but never forget CCP is a business and makes decisions based on that fact.

Always consider the probably impact on player subs when making game changes.

ALWAYS !