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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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Valterra Craven
#3201 - 2014-06-16 19:49:01 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
Well regardless of all the forum posting by everyone here, the market has spoken, the rattlesnake is already returning to its prior balance price. Color me not surprised.


There are also three times as many of them for sale as there was a week ago. Depreciation is a thing, no matter how much the agitators might want to try and correlate it with performance.

Nevermind that it's also moving units far, far faster than ever before. I bought a dozen before this thread was posted, and I have sold all but the two I use personally.

I would never have sold those before this rebalance.


We can always revisit this in a month. I bet not much will have changed. There might be a lot of supply now, but if the RS is as good as the Mach or the Vindi then the demand should be keeping the prices higher, especially at this price considering its far cheaper than the Mach or Vindi.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3202 - 2014-06-16 19:51:36 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:

We can always revisit this in a month. I bet not much will have changed. There might be a lot of supply now, but if the RS is as good as the Mach or the Vindi then the demand should be keeping the prices higher, especially at this price considering its far cheaper than the Mach or Vindi.


You're vastly underestimating just how many Rattlesnakes and Rattlesnake BPCs were collecting dust prior to this rebalance.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Valterra Craven
#3203 - 2014-06-16 20:06:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:

We can always revisit this in a month. I bet not much will have changed. There might be a lot of supply now, but if the RS is as good as the Mach or the Vindi then the demand should be keeping the prices higher, especially at this price considering its far cheaper than the Mach or Vindi.


You're vastly underestimating just how many Rattlesnakes and Rattlesnake BPCs were collecting dust prior to this rebalance.


Ok, how long do you think it will take?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3204 - 2014-06-16 21:06:04 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:

We can always revisit this in a month. I bet not much will have changed. There might be a lot of supply now, but if the RS is as good as the Mach or the Vindi then the demand should be keeping the prices higher, especially at this price considering its far cheaper than the Mach or Vindi.


You're vastly underestimating just how many Rattlesnakes and Rattlesnake BPCs were collecting dust prior to this rebalance.


Ok, how long do you think it will take?


Depends on if someone decides to dump another ten thousand units on the market next week too. The Rattlesnake has been worthless for so long, who knows how many of them people have stockpiled?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3205 - 2014-06-17 00:36:32 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:

We can always revisit this in a month. I bet not much will have changed. There might be a lot of supply now, but if the RS is as good as the Mach or the Vindi then the demand should be keeping the prices higher, especially at this price considering its far cheaper than the Mach or Vindi.


You're vastly underestimating just how many Rattlesnakes and Rattlesnake BPCs were collecting dust prior to this rebalance.


Ok, how long do you think it will take?


Depends on if someone decides to dump another ten thousand units on the market next week too. The Rattlesnake has been worthless for so long, who knows how many of them people have stockpiled?


That and the fact that Rattlesnakes rarely die.

My mission alt has a Rattler for his Caldari ops and I built it 6 to 8 months ago and picked up the BPC for about 250 mill. Have not checked but I doubt it has gone up by more than a few hundred mill.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3206 - 2014-06-17 08:02:18 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:

We can always revisit this in a month. I bet not much will have changed. There might be a lot of supply now, but if the RS is as good as the Mach or the Vindi then the demand should be keeping the prices higher, especially at this price considering its far cheaper than the Mach or Vindi.


You're vastly underestimating just how many Rattlesnakes and Rattlesnake BPCs were collecting dust prior to this rebalance.


Ok, how long do you think it will take?


About a year before they settle.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#3207 - 2014-06-17 13:46:34 UTC
Kueyen wrote:
The Gila now exceeds 300M (same as the Stratios), 33% over the next pirate faction cruiser in line (the Vigilant), and 300% over the most expensive navy faction cruiser (Vexor N.I.). It is awesome, and the market knows it.

The Rattlesnake's dropped below 500M again, 33% under the next pirate faction battleship in line (the Machariel), and under the four most expensive navy faction battleships (Scorpion N.I., Raven N.I., Megathron N.I. and Dominix N.I.). It's crap, and the market knows it.


or bubble of Rattlesnake burst, and everyone try to sell their Rattlesnake to take their loss?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3208 - 2014-06-17 14:07:28 UTC
unidenify wrote:
Kueyen wrote:
The Gila now exceeds 300M (same as the Stratios), 33% over the next pirate faction cruiser in line (the Vigilant), and 300% over the most expensive navy faction cruiser (Vexor N.I.). It is awesome, and the market knows it.

The Rattlesnake's dropped below 500M again, 33% under the next pirate faction battleship in line (the Machariel), and under the four most expensive navy faction battleships (Scorpion N.I., Raven N.I., Megathron N.I. and Dominix N.I.). It's crap, and the market knows it.


or bubble of Rattlesnake burst, and everyone try to sell their Rattlesnake to take their loss?


We flooded the market with hulls. The scary part is that we are holding back, we can keep flooding the market for the next year easily.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#3209 - 2014-06-17 15:43:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
unidenify wrote:
Kueyen wrote:
The Gila now exceeds 300M (same as the Stratios), 33% over the next pirate faction cruiser in line (the Vigilant), and 300% over the most expensive navy faction cruiser (Vexor N.I.). It is awesome, and the market knows it.

The Rattlesnake's dropped below 500M again, 33% under the next pirate faction battleship in line (the Machariel), and under the four most expensive navy faction battleships (Scorpion N.I., Raven N.I., Megathron N.I. and Dominix N.I.). It's crap, and the market knows it.


or bubble of Rattlesnake burst, and everyone try to sell their Rattlesnake to take their loss?


We flooded the market with hulls. The scary part is that we are holding back, we can keep flooding the market for the next year easily.



Well still more time has passed, and in spite of trying, I still find the rattlesnake a more annoying ship than before.

That's fine, only my opinion.

The gila however is a blast, loads of fun. Not the most powerful ship I own but a blast to use.

The Gila is selling like hotcakes and at a strong price.
The rattlesnake not so much.

I get your point about having loads of blueprints in stock so that lowers the price.....

The question is did you not bother to collect Gila blueprints so theres a shortage?

Or is it possibly that others agree with my "opinion"?

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3210 - 2014-06-17 16:01:25 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
unidenify wrote:
Kueyen wrote:
The Gila now exceeds 300M (same as the Stratios), 33% over the next pirate faction cruiser in line (the Vigilant), and 300% over the most expensive navy faction cruiser (Vexor N.I.). It is awesome, and the market knows it.

The Rattlesnake's dropped below 500M again, 33% under the next pirate faction battleship in line (the Machariel), and under the four most expensive navy faction battleships (Scorpion N.I., Raven N.I., Megathron N.I. and Dominix N.I.). It's crap, and the market knows it.


or bubble of Rattlesnake burst, and everyone try to sell their Rattlesnake to take their loss?


We flooded the market with hulls. The scary part is that we are holding back, we can keep flooding the market for the next year easily.



Well still more time has passed, and in spite of trying, I still find the rattlesnake a more annoying ship than before.

That's fine, only my opinion.

The gila however is a blast, loads of fun. Not the most powerful ship I own but a blast to use.

The Gila is selling like hotcakes and at a strong price.
The rattlesnake not so much.

I get your point about having loads of blueprints in stock so that lowers the price.....

The question is did you not bother to collect Gila blueprints so theres a shortage?

Or is it possibly that others agree with my "opinion"?


The rattle saw a bigger increase in volume traded per day than the Gila since the change. Make what you want out of that...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3211 - 2014-06-17 16:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
epicurus ataraxia wrote:



Well still more time has passed, and in spite of trying, I still find the rattlesnake a more annoying ship than before.

That's fine, only my opinion.

The gila however is a blast, loads of fun. Not the most powerful ship I own but a blast to use.

The Gila is selling like hotcakes and at a strong price.
The rattlesnake not so much.

I get your point about having loads of blueprints in stock so that lowers the price.....

The question is did you not bother to collect Gila blueprints so theres a shortage?

Or is it possibly that others agree with my "opinion"?


The Gila market is bigger and there is far more demand for pirate cruisers than pirate battleships as they are affordable to most people for pvp. Pvp with battleships outside of large fleets is a rare thing and battleships in pve just don't die. The gila was also much more widely used before the patch so there wasn't a large stockpile built up over years like with the rattlesnake.

Fact is that twice as many rattlesnakes are being sold than the next most popular pirate battleship every day, that alone speaks for itself.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#3212 - 2014-06-17 17:20:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:



Well still more time has passed, and in spite of trying, I still find the rattlesnake a more annoying ship than before.

That's fine, only my opinion.

The gila however is a blast, loads of fun. Not the most powerful ship I own but a blast to use.

The Gila is selling like hotcakes and at a strong price.
The rattlesnake not so much.

I get your point about having loads of blueprints in stock so that lowers the price.....

The question is did you not bother to collect Gila blueprints so theres a shortage?

Or is it possibly that others agree with my "opinion"?


The Gila market is bigger and there is far more demand for pirate cruisers than pirate battleships as they are affordable to most people for pvp. Pvp with battleships outside of large fleets is a rare thing and battleships in pve just don't die. The gila was also much more widely used before the patch so there wasn't a large stockpile built up over years like with the rattlesnake.

Fact is that twice as many rattlesnakes are being sold than the next most popular pirate battleship every day, that alone speaks for itself.



That's a fair reply.

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#3213 - 2014-06-17 18:44:03 UTC
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Fiona Marquise
Tenoh Enterprises
#3214 - 2014-07-10 23:45:36 UTC
Why in gods name did anyone think the Rattlesnake was buffed? or was even good as is? All the talk of the 'great buff to heavy and sentry drones!' you can only use 2 at a time! how is that a buff, that is like the ultimate nerf!
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3215 - 2014-07-10 23:51:50 UTC
Fiona Marquise wrote:
Why in gods name did anyone think the Rattlesnake was buffed? or was even good as is? All the talk of the 'great buff to heavy and sentry drones!' you can only use 2 at a time! how is that a buff, that is like the ultimate nerf!

maybe you're not reading all the stats...or the post
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3216 - 2014-07-11 00:34:04 UTC
Fiona Marquise wrote:
Why in gods name did anyone think the Rattlesnake was buffed? or was even good as is? All the talk of the 'great buff to heavy and sentry drones!' you can only use 2 at a time! how is that a buff, that is like the ultimate nerf!


Mostly because even with my sub par skills and a Gecko, the ship can output 1100 dps easily, and it steamrolls through L4s on a 6 month old character.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#3217 - 2014-07-11 08:24:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Fiona Marquise wrote:
Why in gods name did anyone think the Rattlesnake was buffed? or was even good as is? All the talk of the 'great buff to heavy and sentry drones!' you can only use 2 at a time! how is that a buff, that is like the ultimate nerf!


Mostly because even with my sub par skills and a Gecko, the ship can output 1100 dps easily, and it steamrolls through L4s on a 6 month old character.



this...prebuff took some fitting magic and some intense skill trains to break the 1000-1100 range.
Anthar Thebess
#3218 - 2014-07-11 09:21:42 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Fiona Marquise wrote:
Why in gods name did anyone think the Rattlesnake was buffed? or was even good as is? All the talk of the 'great buff to heavy and sentry drones!' you can only use 2 at a time! how is that a buff, that is like the ultimate nerf!


Mostly because even with my sub par skills and a Gecko, the ship can output 1100 dps easily, and it steamrolls through L4s on a 6 month old character.



this...prebuff took some fitting magic and some intense skill trains to break the 1000-1100 range.



Actually i can confirm this.
From domi pilot having tech 2 sentry and almost no hvy drone skills within 4 days i got to rattlesnake + cruise missiles to lvl 3.
1050dps on sentry or gectko + dread guristas cruise launchers.

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Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3219 - 2014-07-11 10:06:57 UTC
Fiona Marquise wrote:
Why in gods name did anyone think the Rattlesnake was buffed? or was even good as is? All the talk of the 'great buff to heavy and sentry drones!' you can only use 2 at a time! how is that a buff, that is like the ultimate nerf!



Because most people, even within these forums, know basic math and can see that the resulting ship is buffed. Simple...


People whined so much in this thread when much more critical imbalanced happened in the cruisers and frigates ( blood raiders nerfed to the utter ground with slot changes etc...)

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3220 - 2014-07-11 13:01:51 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Zan Shiro wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Fiona Marquise wrote:
Why in gods name did anyone think the Rattlesnake was buffed? or was even good as is? All the talk of the 'great buff to heavy and sentry drones!' you can only use 2 at a time! how is that a buff, that is like the ultimate nerf!


Mostly because even with my sub par skills and a Gecko, the ship can output 1100 dps easily, and it steamrolls through L4s on a 6 month old character.



this...prebuff took some fitting magic and some intense skill trains to break the 1000-1100 range.



Actually i can confirm this.
From domi pilot having tech 2 sentry and almost no hvy drone skills within 4 days i got to rattlesnake + cruise missiles to lvl 3.
1050dps on sentry or gectko + dread guristas cruise launchers.


My skills and a 5% implant on cruise and RoF is 1468 DPS. (bouncers too, not even gardes)