Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What i hate about EvE is that "Game of Alts" it is. It's just too easy to spy and awox, because you can do it with a disposable alt with no real consequences for your "main" character. And this ease of spying/awoxing breeds suspicion and paranoia. I had the 'pleasure' to be a victim of a paranoia induced witchhunt on voice chat and being a new member of a corporation which had a serious spying incident a week or two after i joined.

I don't want to be suspicious of every other human i get acquainted to on voice chat and being subject to such suspicion. Because that's where gameplay crosses into RL for me. Where the untrustworthiness of toons gets projected onto a real person. And it destroys my multiplayer experience. Right now I ignore these incidents and hope that i don't get burned by this again. But my enthusiasm for Eve may not survive another one of these. Based on my experiences I can easily understand why a huge portion of EvEs player base is playing this game solo in a NPC corporation. (Even if the real reason might be the improved solo playability of other "MM"O games).

How to fix it? I'm not sure. Maybe give us a sort of opt-in "hardcore" mode, in which you get restricted to one account with one toon but in turn your toon gets marked as "hardcore character" ingame, easily visible? I would certainly take that opportunity, even if i have to part from my two alts.

This is not completely right....thats the thing.

People choose to play in high-sec cause they simply don't have time to engage in some very active 0.0/WH corp...and they only choose to solo play because it isn't really worth while to join a corp or befriend people in high-sec...well...at least not enough....so thats why they are soloing stuff.

Another reason apart from the time issue to why they are not joining a big alliance or renter corp or whatever is that perhaps they don't like to be told what to do every step of the way. Call it freedom.

Thank you!

You can't change the attitude of players by a magical game feature(I am not speaking about EvE exclusively but MMOs in general). There is no massive reward once you decide to play together with other players. For the most part it means sacrificing your own freedom and follow some rules(or what is even harder make them and take the responsibility to lead others) that allow the corp or team to succeed in something that you put above your personal goals.

99% of the high sec corps(that are not "me and my alts") don't have any direction where to go, don't really do much together and everybody just minds his own business. When I joined my first corp I was given a skill plan, a goal and a time frame(because it was pro gaming clan) to archive it. When we left everybody was just goofing around and 2 months later people didn't log on so much any more and everybody was bored, so we joined up with another corp moved into low sec and did a lot of high sec wars, the result was that everybody started to play together again, people where motivated and participated. The reward was not ISK, it did take a lot of work and personal sacrifices but it when I look back, it was a lot more fun than to play eve as single player game. When you lose a 350M BS fighting gang fight together with others from your corp, you replace this directly after it form your wallet(because you will need it again the next day), if 2m m³ of ore needs to be moved you undock your freighter and do it. If your pos network needs to be fuelled and or moon mins need to be moved to a trade hub you log in a char and do that. I could have made more ISK during that time with far less effort, but then again I would have not been a part of something we build together as players by our team work, a corp that could engage other corps in pvp, did a lot of stuff together(like plexing, mining, pvp, hauling, building a pos network or teaming up with other corps to do a 4 months long war both in low and high sec over our territory) and had some epic moments on TS.

In other games it was similar, while there is LFR if you want the real thing you have to commit and you have to sacrifice a lot of time and invest a lot of effort to do so, to participate with your guild mates isn't a thing you do when you feel like it, if that is your goal than be ready work very very hard for it and be ready for some harsh words on TS when you try for hours and fail. This is the price to pay for epic moments that you will never experience in single player games when you finally overcome the brick wall of difficulty the game puts in front of you together your guild mates, that spend the same amount of work to archive this goal like you did.

Bottom line is, you can't play a MMO as a MMO if you are not willing to commit and are ready for personal sacrifices and the reward is not more ISK/gold but a more enjoyable game experience(at least in my opinion) and archiving something together with others.

While the Devs can add certain content that can be accessed with limited commitment(like the hole high sec stuff what is doable solo or in small groups without to much effort), and people can organize open pvp fleets or Inc fleets where you can join or leave freely you have to commit at least at some point and accept some rules when you want to play together with others and there is no such thing like a game feature that makes everybody play together when people are not willing to commit, agree to certain rules and accept some personal sacrifices to make it work.

Well what you should try is to simply do stuff with the members of your corp, gather everybody around you and say we do a WH trip, mining OP, pvp roam, Incursion day or Low Sec plexing day together. Ask who can fly what and decide on the roles and ships to bring, get the ships or tell people to get some and have them ready at spot x and then just do something with the people you have there. Even if everybody dies that day or you don't make a fortune, you did something together as a corp, did win or lose as a team and hopefully had some fun playing with each other together as a team.

Eve is a bit special I agree. Im just like u but u can use your nature to better determine who u can trust. First step should be to read om on game mechanics and how eve works in general.

Im often wreckless deliberately just to bait "friends" to reveal their intentions. Play the trusting type, link your fits and fly more expensive stuff than what u usually do, lend isk. Now, dont overdo it cause u dont want to break your wallet. Some ppl have actually taken my bait over the years (this is eve and there will always be an issue of trust. A LOT of ppl will reveal their intentions way to fast though) and that always makes me smile a bit. They could have had so much more.

A (for u) small amunt of your isk is a small price to pay if u want to know who your real friends are.

More general rule. Fly what u can afford to lose and trust with ppl what u can afford to lose and they will reveal themselves and when they do they played all their cards early