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The Goons try to Invade Delve

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Xenuria
#61 - 2014-07-10 23:25:09 UTC
HHHNNNGGG wrote:
Thank you Xenuria for your enlightening point of view about the status of null security space and the sterility of the goons. I think when the goons implode from the inside they will point back at this exact post and say that you predicted it all, just as you've predicted so many other things in the past.


Future coalitions can only be so lucky as to have such insights.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2014-07-10 23:27:34 UTC
Oh, I'll also point out that Xenuria mixed up False Dichotomies and False Equivalencies. This is trivial, but given that he was trying to name-drop debate jargon as a form of rebuttal it's analogous to when grammar spergs inevitably mix up a there/they're/their or drop an apostrophe during a particularly heated tirade.
Xenuria
#63 - 2014-07-10 23:30:46 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Oh, I'll also point out that Xenuria mixed up False Dichotomies and False Equivalencies. This is trivial, but given that he was trying to name-drop debate jargon as a form of rebuttal it's analogous to when grammar spergs inevitably mix up a there/they're/their or drop an apostrophe during a particularly heated tirade.



Tell me how exactly I "mixed up" False Dichotomies and False Equivalencies.
While your at it can we go back to discussing the failure that is the CFC "invading" Delve?

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Elmo Perry
Doomheim
#64 - 2014-07-10 23:33:17 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
While your at it can we go back to discussing the failure that is the CFC "invading" Delve?

What about the failure that is Xenuria invading C&P? All of this should be in CAOD but you are too much of a loser to be accepted into any sov holding corp to post there.
Xenuria
#65 - 2014-07-10 23:35:54 UTC
Elmo Perry wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
While your at it can we go back to discussing the failure that is the CFC "invading" Delve?

What about the failure that is Xenuria invading C&P? All of this should be in CAOD but you are too much of a loser to be accepted into any sov holding corp to post there.


Membership in a solv holding corp is not a requisite of posting to CAOD. I actually am unsure if a corp can hold sov, I am fairly certain you need an alliance for that.

CSM 12 Candidate
Elmo Perry
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-07-10 23:38:23 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Membership in a solv holding corp is not a requisite of posting to CAOD. I actually am unsure if a corp can hold sov, I am fairly certain you need an alliance for that.

Semantics, you know what I mean chump.

You need to be in a player corp with X number for members.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-07-10 23:39:45 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Tell me how exactly I "mixed up" False Dichotomies and False Equivalencies.
While your at it can we go back to discussing the failure that is the CFC "invading" Delve?


In your first response to this post, you call my comparison between the CFC and the UK a False Dichotomy. This is absurd, since a False Dichotomy involves an "If not X, then Y" statement and my own post contains nothing of the sort.

Xenuria wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
GoonSwarm Federation, Gett Of My Lawn, and Fweddit are all individual alliances. Together, they are part of the Cluterf*ck Coalition. Claiming that Lawn space is not part of the CFC is akin to saying that Wales is not part of the United Kingdom.

It looks like your misconception is that you think the CFC refers to Goonswarm and not the overall coalition that Goonswarm is a member of. Also you appear to be claiming that renter space is owned by the renters and not the sov holders they're leasing it from. The first is a failure to understand basic information about the group you are fixated on, the latter is laughable on its face.


Nice False Dichotomy.
You appear to be having trouble forming a coherent statement. Would you like help with that?.


You later identify what you meant to say in the first place; that the CFC and the UK are not similar enough to make a meaningful analogy. You are wrong, but you are at least correctly stating your argument.

Xenuria wrote:

You are assuming that I did not understand your statement. In reality I understood your statement perfectly and pointed out the glaring flaws inherent in said statement.

You are falsely equating two things that are not equivalent.
I will give you an example.

A square is not equal to a rectangle despite the fact that all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. The false equivalence you made is somewhat similar in that in your case you are putting the carriage before the horse. I hope this helps.



Again, this is a petty nitpick, but you're a horrible **** trying desperately to sound smarter than you are so why not?
Xenuria
#68 - 2014-07-10 23:45:59 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Tell me how exactly I "mixed up" False Dichotomies and False Equivalencies.
While your at it can we go back to discussing the failure that is the CFC "invading" Delve?


In your first response to this post, you call my comparison between the CFC and the UK a False Dichotomy. This is absurd, since a False Dichotomy involves an "If not X, then Y" statement and my own post contains nothing of the sort.

Xenuria wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
GoonSwarm Federation, Gett Of My Lawn, and Fweddit are all individual alliances. Together, they are part of the Cluterf*ck Coalition. Claiming that Lawn space is not part of the CFC is akin to saying that Wales is not part of the United Kingdom.

It looks like your misconception is that you think the CFC refers to Goonswarm and not the overall coalition that Goonswarm is a member of. Also you appear to be claiming that renter space is owned by the renters and not the sov holders they're leasing it from. The first is a failure to understand basic information about the group you are fixated on, the latter is laughable on its face.


Nice False Dichotomy.
You appear to be having trouble forming a coherent statement. Would you like help with that?.


You later identify what you meant to say in the first place; that the CFC and the UK are not similar enough to make a meaningful analogy. You are wrong, but you are at least correctly stating your argument.

Xenuria wrote:

You are assuming that I did not understand your statement. In reality I understood your statement perfectly and pointed out the glaring flaws inherent in said statement.

You are falsely equating two things that are not equivalent.
I will give you an example.

A square is not equal to a rectangle despite the fact that all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. The false equivalence you made is somewhat similar in that in your case you are putting the carriage before the horse. I hope this helps.



Again, this is a petty nitpick, but you're a horrible **** trying desperately to sound smarter than you are so why not?


When I was in school the two were taught as equivalents. Maybe I am in error, this will not change another failed invasion attempt by goons.



CSM 12 Candidate
Elmo Perry
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-07-11 00:08:08 UTC
Xenuria, so glad I didn't vote for you and you were not elected to CSM
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2014-07-11 00:42:23 UTC
I did something terrible and actually read to the end of Xenuria's OP.

This entire thread can be summarized as Xenuria not being familiar with the concept of defensive SBUs.
Elmo Perry
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-07-11 00:48:38 UTC
Voyager, you bad boy.
Xenuria
#72 - 2014-07-11 01:25:23 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
I did something terrible and actually read to the end of Xenuria's OP.

This entire thread can be summarized as Xenuria not being familiar with the concept of defensive SBUs.


Defensive SBUs...
As in the known Exploit that is in direct violation of the TOS.

Great Job, you just exposed your alliance.

CSM 12 Candidate
Ranamar
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#73 - 2014-07-11 01:30:12 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Defensive SBUs...
As in the known Exploit that is in direct violation of the TOS.

Great Job, you just exposed your alliance.


Source?

Is onlining someone else's SBU an exploit too?
Xenuria
#74 - 2014-07-11 01:31:49 UTC
Ranamar wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Defensive SBUs...
As in the known Exploit that is in direct violation of the TOS.

Great Job, you just exposed your alliance.


Source?

Is onlining someone else's SBU an exploit too?


I am not going to discus the nature and/or functionality of exploits on the EVEO forums, neither should you.

CSM 12 Candidate
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2014-07-11 01:34:52 UTC
So just to confirm, the CFCs invasion of its own territory is off to a disastrous start as the CFC forces arrive to their staging systems to find them already threatened by CFC SBUs.

Looks like the CFC was really one step ahead of the CFC on this one.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#76 - 2014-07-11 01:41:34 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
So just to confirm, the CFCs invasion of its own territory is off to a disastrous start as the CFC forces arrive to their staging systems to find them already threatened by CFC SBUs.

Looks like the CFC was really one step ahead of the CFC on this one.

Oh snap, we're finally killing ourseles.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ranamar
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#77 - 2014-07-11 01:43:50 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Ranamar wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Defensive SBUs...
As in the known Exploit that is in direct violation of the TOS.

Great Job, you just exposed your alliance.


Source?

Is onlining someone else's SBU an exploit too?


I am not going to discus the nature and/or functionality of exploits on the EVEO forums, neither should you.


I am very familiar with how defensive SBUs work.

Where can I find an authority declaring it an exploit?
Paaaulo
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-07-11 01:44:48 UTC
Goon's clearly do not follow the bushido code and lack honour
Xenuria
#79 - 2014-07-11 01:45:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Ranamar wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Ranamar wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Defensive SBUs...
As in the known Exploit that is in direct violation of the TOS.

Great Job, you just exposed your alliance.


Source?

Is onlining someone else's SBU an exploit too?


I am not going to discus the nature and/or functionality of exploits on the EVEO forums, neither should you.


I am very familiar with how defensive SBUs work.

Where can I find an authority declaring it an exploit?


Check the old forums. It's an exploit as it prevents legitimate use of SBUs and yields an unfair advantage to the exploiter.

Voyager Arran wrote:
So just to confirm, the CFCs invasion of its own territory is off to a disastrous start as the CFC forces arrive to their staging systems to find them already threatened by CFC SBUs.

Looks like the CFC was really one step ahead of the CFC on this one.


Let me fix that for you.

CFC announce an Invasion of an area of space they claim to already own.
CFC uses Defensive SBUs to prevent their staging systems from being taken.
Members of CFC are baited by Xenuria into openly admitting on a public forum that they are using said exploit to their specific benefit.

Xenuria MoonWalks away...

/thread

CSM 12 Candidate
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-07-11 01:48:44 UTC
Typically when people ask for sources, it means they actually want to have the information presented to them rather than just take it on your assurances that they exist as stated.