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PLEX nearing 800m--thoughts?

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#61 - 2014-07-10 19:47:55 UTC
Making isk in eve is a piece of cake. If I am not being lazy, when I was in a c5 with a c3 static, I would raid the c3's anoms. With 3 accounts, I could do an anom every 10 min. So I could blow through 6 of them in an hour, then another 30 min or so to loot. When I was finished, depeneding on the nanoribbon drop rate, I was making ~350m isk for 1.5 hours of work. if plex prices are at say 900m I could plex all 3 accounts after 7 hours or so of work. So a single day. OR 7 days if I did it an hour a day.

Throw on top of this, I was able to make 3 nano factories in pi an hour and that's another 1.6B a month. which means I just need to do about 4 hours of actual work.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-07-10 19:48:47 UTC
Ioci wrote:
EVE is not free to play.

This should be placed on the launcher instead of that "plex through the roof" nonsense that they put there.
flakeys
Doomheim
#63 - 2014-07-10 19:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Zaxix wrote:
Some of what you say is true, Flakeys. I can't help but notice two separate people both put station trading as the way to make ISK for noobs. This assumes they know what to trade and how. But more to the point, if that's the only way to make significant ISK as a noob, that's a problem. Station trading is the least game-like feature of EVE. People who come to blow stuff up aren't going to be interested in trading. This is one of those classic EVE contradictory "here's how you must play in the sandbox" moments. If there's only one or two ways to do something, that's not really a sandbox, is it? (There's also the side issue of what happens if everyone does as suggested and becomes a trader.)

Beyond that, though, EVE really requires alts and alt accounts. That means more PLEX. The "old bros" are complaining because it's getting harder and harder to keep those accounts up and running. Sure your example case is old and has a super-holding toon. He probably has 3 to 5 accounts total, like most/many people who have caps/JFs do. To keep funding them, he's looking at 2.5b to 4.2b to keep it running. At what point does he get to play the game instead of grinding ISK?

PLEX is a choice, sure. I'm willing to pay for one account per month. But, how many people are willing to plunk down $10 per account, per month for multiple accounts (assuming they're willing to commit to a year)? How about $15? Our example would be looking at $30 to $50 on the low end and $45 to $60 on the high end. That's significant money for a GAME. I paid $50 for GW2, once. The fewer accounts people have, the harder it gets to do all those things that alts make possible. The fewer accounts people have, the harder it gets to make ISK. The harder it is to make ISK, the harder it is to PLEX accounts. It's a downward spiral.

I think the market-minded players have it in their heads that if that happens, demand for PLEX will drop, and prices will drop. Problem fixed. Except that as soon as people come back in, the price will go up again. At some point, EVE just becomes a gigantic hassle (and a boring one at that).


I'll give an example of my own in regards to the '' has to keep up X acounts''.I used to have 5 accounts , now i have 2 and 1 of those 2 i am probably gonna ditch because that one is only used to jf my pvp ships into lowsec so blackfrog would be cheaper.Now i CAN pay for all these accounts but it is not isk effficient to do so as such i don't.A lot of people have 2nd/3rd/etc acccounts wich they do not need per se , yet they feel they should be able to plex them cheap just for ''when they actually would need that 3rd account''.There is no need for a hauler account as the prices to courier contract are rediculously low for example in empire.

Secondly in regards to station trading being the only thing a new player can do to pay his plex.There are a lot of people playing FW who are enjoying both income as pvp there in cheap frigates.This is an ideall place for newbro's . With the recent changes the isk gained in fw is lower but still one can fund his plex and pvp off of it in fw space.No you can't get rich from it unlike with trade but it funds just what you need.

And then you also have running low-sec sites of wich some are verry newbro friendly .

So that's a few more options for newbro's .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Schweinscteiger
Crayola Magic
#64 - 2014-07-10 20:17:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Schweinscteiger
Thoughts: I hope it goes higher, this is getting good for someone who hates farming and enjoys PvP.

One extra hour at work pays for both my accounts for a month and 800m+. Can't beat that isk/hr.

Do we really need another thread on this every time the price increases a bit?
Lun Garemoko
#65 - 2014-07-10 20:33:16 UTC
Schweinscteiger wrote:
Do we really need another thread on this every time the price increases a bit?


Entitlement is a hell of a drug.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-07-10 22:00:48 UTC
Maybe we should look at things from a different angle.

Currently: ~800mil per account, per month.
If you can make 25 mil per hour, then 800 mil = 32 hrs.
If you can make 50 mil per hour, then 800 mil = 16 hrs.
If you can make 75 mil per hour, then 800 mil = 10.6 hrs.
If you can make 100 mil per hour, then 800 mil = 8 hrs.

Theoretical: ~1 billion
If you can make 25 mil per hour, then 1 bill = 40 hrs.
If you can make 50 mil per hour, then 1 bill = 20 hrs.
If you can make 75 mil per hour, then 1 bill = 13.3 hrs.
If you can make 100 mil per hour, then 1 bill = 10 hrs.

Theoretical: ~1.5bill
If you can make 25 mil per hour, then 1.5 bill = 60 hrs.
If you can make 50 mil per hour, then 1.5 bill = 30 hrs.
If you can make 75 mil per hour, then 1.5 bill = 20 hrs.
If you can make 100 mil per hour, then 1.5 bill = 15 hrs.

This assumes:
* A single account is able to earn the amount of ISK.
* You can do everything within the alloted time (i.e.. at the end of X hours the ISK is in your wallet, not theorectical LP value, or the potential value of assets for sale).
* You have no other expenses of any kind.

Most importantly, it does not account for any game play time other than ISK earning activities. Every account over one obviously increases the time necessary to grind the ISK.

Bokononist

 
Lun Garemoko
#67 - 2014-07-10 23:06:45 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
Maybe we should look at things from a different angle.

Currently: ~800mil per account, per month.
If you can make 25 mil per hour, then 800 mil = 32 hrs.
If you can make 50 mil per hour, then 800 mil = 16 hrs.
If you can make 75 mil per hour, then 800 mil = 10.6 hrs.
If you can make 100 mil per hour, then 800 mil = 8 hrs.

Theoretical: ~1 billion
If you can make 25 mil per hour, then 1 bill = 40 hrs.
If you can make 50 mil per hour, then 1 bill = 20 hrs.
If you can make 75 mil per hour, then 1 bill = 13.3 hrs.
If you can make 100 mil per hour, then 1 bill = 10 hrs.

Theoretical: ~1.5bill
If you can make 25 mil per hour, then 1.5 bill = 60 hrs.
If you can make 50 mil per hour, then 1.5 bill = 30 hrs.
If you can make 75 mil per hour, then 1.5 bill = 20 hrs.
If you can make 100 mil per hour, then 1.5 bill = 15 hrs.

This assumes:
* A single account is able to earn the amount of ISK.
* You can do everything within the alloted time (i.e.. at the end of X hours the ISK is in your wallet, not theorectical LP value, or the potential value of assets for sale).
* You have no other expenses of any kind.

Most importantly, it does not account for any game play time other than ISK earning activities. Every account over one obviously increases the time necessary to grind the ISK.



Are you trying to argue that people won't grind more for their PLEX? Because I don't think the volume of PLEX being traded still is indicative of that.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#68 - 2014-07-11 00:23:04 UTC
The other big factor that hasn't really been touched on much is that tiericide made player ships stronger in general.

This means faster ratting and fewer losses to rats, whether that ratting is in nullsec anomolies, lowsec L5s, highsec L4s, or even someone with less knowledge or less of a focus on efficiency doing things like lowsec anoms or null belts.

But bounties have only been marginally adjusted (-5% in nullsec only) to compensate.

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2014-07-11 00:50:03 UTC
I have to be honest and say I have not read any part of this thread other than the OP:

The median household income in the USA was approx $52000 in 2013. Presuming the average household works 60 hours per week, that equals $16.67 per hour.

A 3 month subscription costs $38.85 or approximately 2.3 hours of the average household income.

If it takes 7-10 hours to grind the isk for a one month plex, why would you grind for 21 hours in game to save your earnings from 2.3 hours of real life work? Time is the most valuable commodity you have. Talk to your wife/gf/partner about moving some RL money into a subscription.

$38.85 is also $0.43 a day - or $3.02 a week or less than a cup of coffee a week...
X ATM092
The Hatchery
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#70 - 2014-07-11 04:28:09 UTC
Zaxix wrote:
You can tell that most of the people in this thread are old school vets. It's only "easy" to make big ISK if you've got all the skills, tools, and accounts necessary to do so.

I challenge each of you to start a fresh 14-day trial (no Power of Two, no PLEX), andstart playing the game like a total noob. Don't transfer ISK or assets between characters. Don't help your new character out with your previously existing characters. Don't accept ISK or assets from existing friends/corpmates. Don't join your current corp. For bonus points, don't use special information/experience that you have access to for the purpose of playing the market. Play as a true noob.

When you have enough ISK to have a stable of ships for your tasks, plus some backups for PvP, and enough for PLEX, THEN tell everyone how "easy" it is.

step 1, join fw
step 2, put warp core stabs on
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#71 - 2014-07-11 05:01:47 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
step 1, join fw
step 2, put warp core stabs on


step 3, when you have 200m ISK, train basic region trading skills, and start doing trading on the side to learn it, continue doing FW while you wait for orders to fill

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X ATM092
The Hatchery
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#72 - 2014-07-11 05:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: X ATM092
Another thing worth noting is that game time doesn't just give you access to playing the game, it also gives you access to skill training. Skill training which increases the isk value of the character and, if you don't train ******** skills, allows you to unlock the sunk value of the plex upon selling of the character. Say all you wanted to do was basic frig pvp, you could play on the same character for a year, sell it for a value greater than the cost of 12 plex, make a new character and do the same again. If you know how to train characters then owning a character not only covers the plex cost, it makes you isk.

It's only if you ignore the value increase of your asset that plexing costs isk.
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-07-11 07:16:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Emma Muutaras
how do these prices effect everyone

null sec ratting is more than capable of making the required isk to plex a account hell just 3 10/10 sites will prolly make you the isk you need but even without DED site hubs will still get you good ticks. the biggest downside is the afk cloaky campers, but cloaky camping is a whole different subject

high sec dwellers have it quite easy run lvl 4 missions with little to no risk (not gotta worry bout them dam afk cloaky campers) wont take long to make the isk needed not hard to make 50-100 mil a hour on lvl 4 missions if you spend your LP smartly

wormholers well what can i say than they make more than enough in them holes to need not care what the plex price is.

low sec not really lived there and i think it may be the low secers that get it hardest over high plex prices there ratting sites arent great nor is the data/relic and of cause its prolly more hostile than most of null sec

the last group is of cause the low sp toons hard to make good isk if low skills less dps so sites take longer which really does effect isk per hour so they too may struggle to make the amount required for a plex.

miners? i have no idea how much miners can make per hour i tried mining once and honestly thought rolling around in stinger nettles would be more fun. but i guess some people must like it.


so is plex price to high?

for some yes others no if you put the time in you can make the isk easy regardless of where you live or skill points.

if you can only play a hour a day then your prolly going to struggle.

maybe alliances/coalitions should just not welp 3 fleets a week and put that isk to subsidize there loyal line members im not saying they should pay the whole plex price but just helping them out by covering say 1/3 of the price.

alliances/coalitions often pvp with t2/pirate faction ships almost on a daily basis sp alliances/coalitions clearly have isk to help there members out if push comes to shove
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-07-11 08:02:02 UTC
PLEX was a way for me to play the game for free. The current price is too high and i am not willing to spend all my time farming isk and therefore, I've unsubscribes my alt and this character will probably follow soon.
Dave Stark
#75 - 2014-07-11 08:10:44 UTC
Quinn Corvez wrote:
PLEX was a way for me to play the game for free. The current price is too high and i am not willing to spend all my time farming isk and therefore, I've unsubscribes my alt and this character will probably follow soon.


don't worry, not all of us can make 27m per day. there's no shame in it.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#76 - 2014-07-11 08:16:22 UTC
As soon as CCP figures out how to implement a ban on the multibox software hi-sec miners demand will go down and therefore PLEX will go down.

Just wait it out or sub an account and Plex the others...... game should be fun....not work.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Dave Stark
#77 - 2014-07-11 08:17:59 UTC
Tennej wrote:
As soon as CCP figures out how to implement a ban on the multibox software hi-sec miners demand will go down and therefore PLEX will go down.

Just wait it out or sub an account and Plex the others...... game should be fun....not work.


ban on multiboxing, haha.

oh wait, you're serious? let me laugh harder.
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-07-11 08:43:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Quinn Corvez
Dave Stark wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
PLEX was a way for me to play the game for free. The current price is too high and i am not willing to spend all my time farming isk and therefore, I've unsubscribes my alt and this character will probably follow soon.


don't worry, not all of us can make 27m per day. there's no shame in it.


Hey, zero fucks are being given over here... as far as eve goes, i can take it or leave it. I was merely saying that high plex prices have made me unsubscribe, with the assumption that other people will do the same.

If you are happy spending every day playing computer games, good for you.

Tennej wrote:

game should be fun....not work.


Church!
Maru Niffilen
United Trading Organisation
#79 - 2014-07-11 08:48:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Maru Niffilen
Damn! I wasn't really active in the past month. Having 8 accounts active becomes pretty expensive when my PLEX stock is drying out. Cry

I hope somebody finds a nail in the EVE universe to burst this bubble.
Dave Stark
#80 - 2014-07-11 08:51:09 UTC
Quinn Corvez wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Quinn Corvez wrote:
PLEX was a way for me to play the game for free. The current price is too high and i am not willing to spend all my time farming isk and therefore, I've unsubscribes my alt and this character will probably follow soon.


don't worry, not all of us can make 27m per day. there's no shame in it.


Hey, zero fucks are being given over here... as far as eve goes, i can take it or leave it. I was merely saying that high plex prices have made me unsubscribe, with the assumption that other people will do the same.

If you are happy spending every day playing computer games, good for you.


the problem is, you're assuming people are going to unsub because they can't earn 27m per day. it's a trivially small sum.
i mean, you can practically make your plex money by mining in high sec while you cook you're cooking your dinner every day.

or when the wife tells you she's going to meet her girlfriends for a few beverages to talk about shoes, or handbags, or whatever it is women discuss... jump in to an incursion fleet and make your plex money in a couple of hours while you've got some time to yourself.

plex is still trivially easy to afford and i sincerely doubt it'll result in many unsubs, let alone enough for ccp to even notice it as anything other than usual player turnover.