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Can IGS Posts Meet A Minimum Standard of Intellectual Honesty?
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Raposao1978
#41 - 2014-07-10 17:11:41 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
SynthesisX wrote:

I can picture your DNA readout next to your picture hanging on the walls of genetic facilities all over Caldari space with a sign that reads “KEEP A SOBER WORK PLACE, WE DO NOT WANT TO MAKE ANY MORE OF THESE!”


I don't know, Diana Kim's killboard is pretty good; the Caldari authorities may be thinking, "if we had a couple hundred more of these, then the Federation wouldn't last a month".

Diana Kim is a blunt instrument best wielded by a thug like Tibus Heth, while you sir are a professional hate monger. I pity those like yourself who have nothing to offer beyond their vile bile.

Self destruct so i can have your salvage ..... i'll get it anyway ..... and this saves us both some time!
Nuona
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-07-10 19:19:59 UTC
We could, at least, form a multilateral board of peer review for evaluating the intellectual honesty of IGS posts. While this wouldn't prevent the sort of behavior the original poster was complaining about, we might encourage a slight shift in discourse by rewarding contributors with some unofficial recognition.

Surely there are pilots with the time to do this.
Kale Silence
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-07-10 20:49:34 UTC
Nuona wrote:
We could, at least, form a multilateral board of peer review for evaluating the intellectual honesty of IGS posts. While this wouldn't prevent the sort of behavior the original poster was complaining about, we might encourage a slight shift in discourse by rewarding contributors with some unofficial recognition.

Surely there are pilots with the time to do this.


I think it would be cool if different groups of people could have their own IGS forums without being in the same corp, just aligned with a predetermined faction. Although I doubt CONCORD would bother.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2014-07-10 21:03:43 UTC
While such a thing does not exist at the moment, there are some Galnet channels which are intended to function similarly. For instance, I am connected to the Amarr-aligned channel, and I understand a Minmatar variant exists as well.
Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2014-07-10 21:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Vulxanis Viceroy
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
While such a thing does not exist at the moment, there are some Galnet channels which are intended to function similarly. For instance, I am connected to the Amarr-aligned channel, and I understand a Minmatar variant exists as well.


This is true, although I can see the usefulness in Miss Silence's suggestion. I know it would be nice to post on forums that only the faithful have access to. Would avoid unnecessary hateful comments from those who do not understand the Amarr on topics that do not concern them. Not to mention a heretic-free discussion area.

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Vladimir Tan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-07-10 21:45:57 UTC

Democracies are hypocrisies and ineffective, tribalism are primitive and heavily influenced by irrational emotions, only people that realise these can be considered a person of intellect.
But it is clear that there are exceptions to every social stereotype, like not all Gallentes are hypocrites, and not all Minmatars are impulsive monsters.

The Amarrians though, I think we need to consider them as aliens. Like a horde of angry old aliens.

Many Caldaris are sympathetic to the 'democratic' federation, as such it can be derived that even amongst us there's the usual degenerates.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-07-11 01:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Vladimir Tan wrote:

Democracies are hypocrisies and ineffective, tribalism are primitive and heavily influenced by irrational emotions, only people that realise these can be considered a person of intellect.
But it is clear that there are exceptions to every social stereotype, like not all Gallentes are hypocrites, and not all Minmatars are impulsive monsters.

The Amarrians though, I think we need to consider them as aliens. Like a horde of angry old aliens.

Many Caldaris are sympathetic to the 'democratic' federation, as such it can be derived that even amongst us there's the usual degenerates.


There is no singular 'perfect' or 'superior' governmental system. Just as how there is no such thing as a perfect automation system, a perfect power grid, a perfect locomotive system or a perfect integrated circuit system. Everything ever devised by human hands and minds will always have a flaw somewhere that needs to be identified and planned for.

However, what works, works. It can always use some improvement, because even if it works most of the time it still isn't perfect. It still has flaws or it can be made to work better. However, unless more of us can bring ourselves to swallow our pride and admit that everything we devise is not perfect, is flawed and can be made better can we start actually making steps forward as a species.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#48 - 2014-07-11 03:15:58 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Vladimir Tan wrote:

Democracies are hypocrisies and ineffective, tribalism are primitive and heavily influenced by irrational emotions, only people that realise these can be considered a person of intellect.
But it is clear that there are exceptions to every social stereotype, like not all Gallentes are hypocrites, and not all Minmatars are impulsive monsters.

The Amarrians though, I think we need to consider them as aliens. Like a horde of angry old aliens.

Many Caldaris are sympathetic to the 'democratic' federation, as such it can be derived that even amongst us there's the usual degenerates.


There is no singular 'perfect' or 'superior' governmental system (except the law of Claudia). Just as how there is no such thing as a perfect automation system, a perfect power grid, a perfect locomotive system or a perfect integrated circuit system. Everything ever devised by human hands and minds will always have a flaw somewhere that needs to be identified and planned for.

However, what works, works. It can always use some improvement, because even if it works most of the time it still isn't perfect. It still has flaws or it can be made to work better. However, unless more of us can bring ourselves to swallow our pride and admit that everything we devise is not perfect, is flawed and can be made better can we start actually making steps forward as a species.

This.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-07-11 03:24:18 UTC
Vladimir Tan wrote:

Many Caldaris are sympathetic to the 'democratic' federation, as such it can be derived that even amongst us there's the usual degenerates.

They should be called Hnolku, and not Caldari.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-07-11 03:31:13 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Vladimir Tan wrote:

Democracies are hypocrisies and ineffective, tribalism are primitive and heavily influenced by irrational emotions, only people that realise these can be considered a person of intellect.
But it is clear that there are exceptions to every social stereotype, like not all Gallentes are hypocrites, and not all Minmatars are impulsive monsters.

The Amarrians though, I think we need to consider them as aliens. Like a horde of angry old aliens.

Many Caldaris are sympathetic to the 'democratic' federation, as such it can be derived that even amongst us there's the usual degenerates.


There is no singular 'perfect' or 'superior' governmental system. Just as how there is no such thing as a perfect automation system, a perfect power grid, a perfect locomotive system or a perfect integrated circuit system. Everything ever devised by human hands and minds will always have a flaw somewhere that needs to be identified and planned for.

However, what works, works. It can always use some improvement, because even if it works most of the time it still isn't perfect. It still has flaws or it can be made to work better. However, unless more of us can bring ourselves to swallow our pride and admit that everything we devise is not perfect, is flawed and can be made better can we start actually making steps forward as a species.

Indeed, and we strive to optimize even management process. Sometimes we make steps forwards, sometimes make mistakes and degrade ourselves (like we did by dissolving CPD). Through iterations we can choose what is best and what is most efficient.

However, yes, there is no perfect government system, but there are government systems that are highly inefficient, and we can arrange and sort them, and get rid of bad ones.
For example, when our ancestors made a mistake of following gallenteans, we managed to take from them something what was efficient and usable: corporate structure.
And we thrown away what was incredibly inefficient and degenerating: the democracy.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slave A00073078
Northern Raven Reconnaissance Syndicate
#51 - 2014-07-11 09:59:58 UTC
Tsk tsk, all this rage. You all need to sit down, pop a few boosters and play some cards. Chillmode engage.
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#52 - 2014-07-11 11:29:07 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Vladimir Tan wrote:

Democracies are hypocrisies and ineffective, tribalism are primitive and heavily influenced by irrational emotions, only people that realise these can be considered a person of intellect.
But it is clear that there are exceptions to every social stereotype, like not all Gallentes are hypocrites, and not all Minmatars are impulsive monsters.

The Amarrians though, I think we need to consider them as aliens. Like a horde of angry old aliens.

Many Caldaris are sympathetic to the 'democratic' federation, as such it can be derived that even amongst us there's the usual degenerates.


There is no singular 'perfect' or 'superior' governmental system (except the law of Claudia). Just as how there is no such thing as a perfect automation system, a perfect power grid, a perfect locomotive system or a perfect integrated circuit system. Everything ever devised by human hands and minds will always have a flaw somewhere that needs to be identified and planned for.

However, what works, works. It can always use some improvement, because even if it works most of the time it still isn't perfect. It still has flaws or it can be made to work better. However, unless more of us can bring ourselves to swallow our pride and admit that everything we devise is not perfect, is flawed and can be made better can we start actually making steps forward as a species.

This.

Hail Claudia!

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Tweak Caltenco
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-07-11 12:55:26 UTC
Slave A00073078 wrote:
Tsk tsk, all this rage. You all need to sit down, pop a few boosters and play some cards. Chillmode engage.

I second that. Bear
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2014-07-13 07:33:02 UTC
Heathens, let me enlighten you on this.

"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace
For we are his shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45

We, God's chosen, were sent to redeem the various races. But many turned us away when we peacefully offered them a chance at salvation from their eternal damnation.

In the beginning everyone was equal, but chaos and blasphemy ensued. True Amarrs lived by God's side and were chosen to rule the world. So no, there is no equality between the races anymore. We True Amarrians are superior to all else.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#55 - 2014-07-13 17:26:58 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
Heathens, let me enlighten you on this.

"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace
For we are his shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45

We, God's chosen, were sent to redeem the various races. But many turned us away when we peacefully offered them a chance at salvation from their eternal damnation.

In the beginning everyone was equal, but chaos and blasphemy ensued. True Amarrs lived by God's side and were chosen to rule the world. So no, there is no equality between the races anymore. We True Amarrians are superior to all else.

Denied. Your fantasy book proves nothing, all people are equal in the eyes of Claudia. It is your actions and attitude that I shall judge you on when the time comes.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2014-07-13 18:32:26 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
I would like to challenge all those who speak here on IGS to meet the minimum standard of intellectual honesty when posting about groups of people that are “other” than themselves, to apply all the rights, privileges, capacity, and humanity they attribute to themselves to the “others” equally. If that standard is met I think it will elevate the overall conversation here on IGS.


A kitchen is a stressful place, even for a master chef. There will always be some apprentices that can not hack the job.

Because Far-que... That's why.
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-07-14 11:06:17 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
Heathens, let me enlighten you on this.

"So the Lord sent forth the Chosen,
to bring forth the light of faith
And those who embrace his love
Shall be saved by his grace
For we are his shepherds in the darkness
His Angels of Mercy.
But those who turn away from his light,
And reject his true word
Shall be struck down by his wrath
For we are his retribution incarnate
His Angels of Vengeance"
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 4:45

We, God's chosen, were sent to redeem the various races. But many turned us away when we peacefully offered them a chance at salvation from their eternal damnation.

In the beginning everyone was equal, but chaos and blasphemy ensued. True Amarrs lived by God's side and were chosen to rule the world. So no, there is no equality between the races anymore. We True Amarrians are superior to all else.

Denied. Your fantasy book proves nothing, all people are equal in the eyes of Claudia. It is your actions and attitude that I shall judge you on when the time comes.


Typical words of a heathen. Please continue to be ignorant, eventually all who deny God will be purged from existence.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#58 - 2014-07-14 11:24:31 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
I was slightly more perturbed by the "Minmatar Empire". Apparently something awesome went down and I missed out on it.


Them damn Sebbies took over, finally, huh?


It's the Sebiestor Plot.


Shhh! How can we scheme in secret if you tell everyone! Stop that!

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#59 - 2014-07-14 13:07:26 UTC
Vladimir Tan wrote:

Democracies are hypocrisies and ineffective, tribalism are primitive and heavily influenced by irrational emotions, only people that realise these can be considered a person of intellect.
But it is clear that there are exceptions to every social stereotype, like not all Gallentes are hypocrites, and not all Minmatars are impulsive monsters.

The Amarrians though, I think we need to consider them as aliens. Like a horde of angry old aliens.

Many Caldaris are sympathetic to the 'democratic' federation, as such it can be derived that even amongst us there's the usual degenerates.


I think you are mistaken Tan. Many Caldari are sympathetic to the Amarrian Empire. Their is a broad moral gulf that seperates the Amarr from their enemies. Their enemies sanctify death, the Amarr sanctify life, their enemies sanctify cruelty, and the Amarr mercy and compassion. That is the secret of their strength.

Why would Caldari's be sympathetic to a nation that has been killing our people for generations.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#60 - 2014-07-14 14:02:05 UTC
Why would we of the State be sympathetic to an Empire that quite demonstrably personify the antithesis to everything we have built? Generations of slavery where merits matter for naught. Work done for the betterment of the few rather than the State. Racial supremacy lunacy and religious hegemony etc etc.

I think you'll find we're hardly sympathetic to most of the other nations in New Eden. We just decide who to deal with for the best of the State and our own people. Unfortunately, these days that means the Empire that is, and should be, loathed by pretty much every civilized being in New Eden. When the political situation changes, I doubt there are many that'll even hesitate to bring the Federation and their consumers into the fold with open wallets. I mean arms.

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