Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You underestimate a bit how much people will travel. I live in high sec as mercenary (not the camp the pipe type). We gdladly travel 30 jumps to kill mission battleship, then travel it back to kill a t3 etc... And several otherts will do it as well.

people will not forego their safety and sense of power to make shorter travels. That is another normal reaction. When your workplace (where you have worked for 5 years and is well established )move 20 km further away from your house, do you jump out of work ? or you just resign to drive 20 minutes more?

The absolute majority of people will just drive...

That is where I respectfully disagree. Having too many members should be punished if we want to have a flourishing war environment.

Why Europe Is more stable than in the 19th century? Because humans suddenly got more civilized? Nope, because the forces were combined and combined until 2 super powerful blocks arose. Blocks so massive that that idea of an engagement became absurd, because .. no conflict of interests,... no mutually desired resources... no nothign woudl ever come close to matching the risk of such engagement.

That is why the smaller the scale of the parts the more likely they are to engage in conflicts. Because the conflicting interests, mutually desired resources.. etc.. are worth MUCH more compared to the total risks and costs of such engagements.

We will have to disagree then. Goons are my space enemy with that said they are a solid and tight knit community with strong bonds that transcend Eve Online. Telling them you can't be on the same team as some of you're friends because we need some artificial limit is well Crazy Dumb and just BAD all together. We are playing a video game for leisure. We are playing a MMORPG because we want to play with other people. Telling someone to come play your mmorpg but telling they cant play with some friends is a complete contradiction to the very core of what a MMORPG is.

I acutally have to agree with this sentiment.

I do agree there should be something resisting the trend of bloated corp/alliance membership. Not necessarily a hard cap on members, but something that makes it harder or less beneficial to cram as many people into one entity.

I don't really like the idea of a home system that much unless it had some kind of sov defense scaling thing associated. But there definitely needs to be a limit on how many people a system can adequately support. So 10k people require much more space than now, and they'll be required to defend a large swath with limited mobility. That would be a good limiting factor.

Or maybe the upkeep cost of I-Hubs could scale exponentially as the number of I-Hubs increases? It would be a soft cap, limited only by viability.

As with Coalitions now, i feel like having Corps/Alliances becoming arbitrarily large would be a detriment to null sec in general.

Should I really believe that a goon, or any other human being, have 10 thousand friends? I really doubt anyone in this game have more than 2 hundred friends, and I am STRECHING A LOT!!!


Friendship is not an excuse, because 10 thousand people never ever gathered in human history due to friendship bounds. In fct no one without a brain disfuntion can remember 10 thousand identities (be by name, voice, iamge etc...) Sorry, but your argument is very weak (again I do not want to be disrespectful) . These people are not banded because they are friends, they are banded because banding makes them stronger, despite the fact that they very likely dislike MOST of the people on those 10k.


Btw friends can very well play on opposing teams and still be friends. In fact that is why sports are considered integration tools. If playign on other team was a sign of not being a friend or buddy then no sport competitiosn would ever have evolved.

No one here wants to kill CFC, NCPL and any of their pet alliances.
Both of those powers will still be most powerful in the game , provi will be still provi.

Idea is just to make all those empty and renter space obsolete.
CFC having large numbers will not have issues with maintaining the sov.
Yes they will loose 1-2 regions that no one use, few constellations in other regions - from the same reason.

NCPL , will still have small number of systems and 1-2 regions each way 'allied' alliances paying rent.

Every thing will be just limited to "reasonable" time you have to spend to get there.

Why there is no sov fights recently, and when someone is loosing after 1-2 lost battles he is falling apart as fast as next timers follow?

Because broken power projection allow to move endless amounts of ships in any edge of eve universe without any consequence , cheep, and what is most important FAST.

If eve would be in healthy condition :
- we should had systems changing hands each day
- constant movements of alliances on eve sov map
- small scale capital skirmishes every day
- raising , or not falling online numbers
- less post about "how to fix the sov", "how to reduce power projection", "how to change cyno"

If you haven't noticed current online numbers are equal to ones that EVE had in 2008 , and that is 6 years ago.
The more renting space show up on map - the less players actually play.

Tell BRAVE to kick all inactive people , and their numbers will instantly drop by half.

Nothing is happening - so many people just don't login.
Yes they skill their characters - but they don't login.

QFT. Eve is a game first and foremost.


No, Supers and Titans are responsible for spiraling us into the ******** stagnation of which we are apart. Then maybe carriers. Dreads a tiny bit. JF's and JB's are a footnote at best. <--- My opinion, at any rate.

I'd just like to humbly point out that no one is in an arms race to get more jump freighters. No one is setting black frog blue to avoid a confrontation with their jump freighter fleet. It wasn't a jump freighter fleet that crossed to the other side of the galaxy to nip a developing fight in the bud the day before yesterday.

Check earlier posts.


I go to this systems.
Choose place where i want to live.
(A)
Put 1-2 small towers , and live in this system.

No one else is there from holding alliance, so activity is dropping.
Structure ehp drops, or even whole sov is gone.

I put my own TCU , 3h later i get PL fleet in the system.
They reinforce my towers, kill tcu.
They even come to finish those towers.

But i just go to : (A)
Each time they come they have to do 50 jumps one way.

At some point they even put some renters to this system, so i just camp them.
They are here to make isk, im searching for a new home.
Paying for sitting on a station - well this won't happen.

PL comes again, and try to camp me.
So i hide for 1 week and then go to point (A)

How long until they realize that this takes to much time , and they get nothing from it?

Now think - the same thing they have in 20 different places.


For sure bigger alliances will have bigger space, they will burn some regions to the grounds from time to time.
Buts that what all those people want.

There will be constant flow of places you can go and do something.

For example:
Without instant power projection all poses in lowsec will be back again to people living in those systems.
How often you will get 200 people willing to do 50 jumps to pomp a tower, and after this do another 30 jumps to pomp another pos in lowsec, and at the same time you are late for 5 other lowsec timers.

Well the point of eve is conflict.
Online is dropping, as smaller entities are gone from sov map, low scale conflicts are minimal , and hard as you will get instant hotdrop.

You have 2 power block doing war games, and trying to blob each other.
Not many people are interested in this kind of 0.5% TIDI fun.

Players cannot solve this by them self , as issue is in power projection offered by JB / titans/ capitals / mother ships , and each day we have more of them.

But i think every one here agree that there is an issue , that players cannot solve by them self and CCP have to make some steps to heal this situation .

No, not necessarily. The idea is so that even if there are big coalitions they can get by with smaller space. At least I think that is part of the goal. Or if it isn't, it should be. Theoretically it could also be possible to hold vast swaths of space, it will just be considerably harder.