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Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
#21 - 2011-12-06 15:10:49 UTC
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It is 2.4 times the size of Earth


Being "earth-like" is all fine and dandy but does this not pose a problem, in terms of usability?
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#22 - 2011-12-06 16:21:47 UTC
Jack Cavanaugh wrote:
Umega wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Jack Cavanaugh wrote:
I hate to be a downer but given current technology a manned craft, which would also have to be self-sufficient for food, water, fuel/energy, waste and maintenance would take about 45 million years to travel the 600 light years which was quoted in the articles about this discovery.

Given optimal speed of an unmanned craft it would take about 5.5 million years to travel the 600 light years, still taking into account fuel/energy and maintenance.


I think too much is still unknown to say that getting there is completely 100% impossible within a reasonable time frame, but right now, it is pretty laughable to think about the logistics...


When an object with mass may be faster than a massless object (zero mass at rest, i know).. there might very well be a means to reach this planet in under 600+ years.

Hell.. if even reaching light speed is achieved by humans (I don't need a lecture on the compounding issue of mass coupled with increasing speed).. who ever makes the trip will merely blink and be there. Light speed = time stasis.. if you truly want to live forever, there ya go. So while we might skip about our Sun 600 times.. the astronauts abord that photon rocket won't notice a damn thing, nor will they age, when ship dings 299,792,458 m/s till it begins to lose speed on final approach. They won't even need 600 years worth of food and toilet paper.



Here's a conundrum. How would they do a test flight on a light-speed ship?

When it arrived at it's destination everyone involved in the testing and ye...everyone living on the planet at the time would already be centuries old worm food.


conventional theory suggests that because we can observe time dilation in sub-atomic particles, and we are all made up of this stuff, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't have the same effect on us. (i know, i know, awkward double-negative but the grammar police can bite me)
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-12-06 20:49:40 UTC
They are finding large bodies right now as these are the easiest for them to detect in the first place.

Have yourselves a quick read of what they regard as the 'habitable zone' because it includes some funky temperatures. Theres also the problem of mass/gravity etc

Been watching this for a while and comes from the guys that discovered sun wobbles and dimming, now they know where to point those nice new telescopes there should be a large and constant influx of new possible life bearing planets to point SETI scopes at from now on.

"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."

"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangs all here!"

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-12-06 20:57:36 UTC
Darrow Hill wrote:
Quote:
It is 2.4 times the size of Earth


Being "earth-like" is all fine and dandy but does this not pose a problem, in terms of usability?



Provided the same atmospheric pressure as earth (kinda important so your blood doesn't boil) that would make standing on the surface exert a pressure of 2.4 Gs.

Would make standing around a lot harder but people in great physical shape could do it. Then hosting a show like "The Biggest Loser" on the planet would be 2.4x funnier because the only thing funnier than watching fat people do things is watching them do things when there's 2x the normal force of gravity on them

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NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#25 - 2011-12-07 02:25:17 UTC
Jack Cavanaugh wrote:
600 light years.


If the planet is 600 light years away is it possible that the planet has now expired? Is it possible us humans are in-fact from that planet earth?

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-12-07 02:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Darrow Hill wrote:
Quote:
It is 2.4 times the size of Earth


Being "earth-like" is all fine and dandy but does this not pose a problem, in terms of usability?



Provided the same atmospheric pressure as earth (kinda important so your blood doesn't boil) that would make standing on the surface exert a pressure of 2.4 Gs.

Would make standing around a lot harder but people in great physical shape could do it. Then hosting a show like "The Biggest Loser" on the planet would be 2.4x funnier because the only thing funnier than watching fat people do things is watching them do things when there's 2x the normal force of gravity on them


the planet could have a lighter, or smaller core, and thus the gravity would be relatively the same, afaik?

so it would be a big, but less dense terrestrial planet, with twice the size. Considering the earth as it is today, that's actually quite big, and if it proves to have a similar atmosphere, than we're looking at the first colonizable planet.


if we ever manage to get thereStraight

NickyYo wrote:
Jack Cavanaugh wrote:
600 light years.


If the planet is 600 light years away is it possible that the planet has now expired? Is it possible us humans are in-fact from that planet earth?



Kepler-22 is actually G-class star (same as sun), but a bit smaller, thus cooler, and, probably, it will last longer than the sun (generally speaking, smaller = less mass = longer life).

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
BLACK-STAR
#27 - 2011-12-07 02:55:15 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Jack Cavanaugh wrote:
600 light years.


If the planet is 600 light years away is it possible that the planet has now expired? Is it possible us humans are in-fact from that planet earth?
Yes NickyYo, we're actually all cylons.



ahem

On a serious note, there's a pinnacle point that occurs with any intelligence that dominants a planet.
- They destroy the planet and kill themselves (likely happens to 99.9% of all intelligent worlds, including this one soon enough)
- They're a united species and work for the common goal of their kind:
- They achieve FTL travel and communications and explore the stars and the mystery of life, which:
- They seek vast knowledge and are immortal (aging cured and perfected cellular reconstruction).


There's a possibility of a stone age civilization on that habitable world. Otherwise, likely nothing is there. It might have history of a race that ended itself hundreds or thousands of years ago, or left the planet because they depleted it.


To date, there are no recorded intelligent life on another planet and we wouldn't ever live long enough to travel or find out.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#28 - 2011-12-07 04:50:02 UTC
Got to love how some people draw conclusions on what is acceptable alien behavior based upon human nature and our own brain wave activity.. f'in brilliant.

Yes.. of course.. without a doubt an advanced alien race are peaceful people that all get along together while on their rainbow colored teddy bear space ships cause that's the only way they could manage to explore space. Certainly not out of greed for resources.. **** no.. it is most definitely for knowledge cause that is the correct way..

I mean.. duh. It makes complete sense that alien races would only visit other planets PURELY for scientific research and tourist vacation spots. So unlikely that a race a million years ahead of humans have NOT depleted their home planet of resource.. they obviously get power from daisies, mind melding, and love.

We are so savage.. there isn't a single species on this planet older than us killing and claiming turf and resources for themselves and select our group.. nope, just us. We are a special breed.

Get over what is morally acceptable, and thus the proper way to be inter-planetary travelers. We're all parasites leeching off a larger more intricate object.. and so are they. That's all their is to it.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-12-07 04:56:29 UTC
Umega wrote:
Got to love how some people draw conclusions on what is acceptable alien behavior based upon human nature and our own brain wave activity.. f'in brilliant.

Yes.. of course.. without a doubt an advanced alien race are peaceful people that all get along together while on their rainbow colored teddy bear space ships cause that's the only way they could manage to explore space. Certainly not out of greed for resources.. **** no.. it is most definitely for knowledge cause that is the correct way..

I mean.. duh. It makes complete sense that alien races would only visit other planets PURELY for scientific research and tourist vacation spots. So unlikely that a race a million years ahead of humans have NOT depleted their home planet of resource.. they obviously get power from daisies, mind melding, and love.

We are so savage.. there isn't a single species on this planet older than us killing and claiming turf and resources for themselves and select our group.. nope, just us. We are a special breed.

Get over what is morally acceptable, and thus the proper way to be inter-planetary travelers. We're all parasites leeching off a larger more intricate object.. and so are they. That's all their is to it.


Doesn't matter, they'll bring their equivalent of smallpox blankets over here and from what I've seen from movies it'll be like The Blob or something

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-12-07 04:56:40 UTC
Double post




Reserved.

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Umega
Solis Mensa
#31 - 2011-12-07 07:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Umega
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Doesn't matter, they'll bring their equivalent of smallpox blankets over here and from what I've seen from movies it'll be like The Blob or something


I shall welcome our spainard speaking overlords and their superior blankets made of magic. As long as Russell Crowe's mustache doesn't turn into sex crazed tentacles that try to violate me without protection.. cause Japan's tech is generally a step above everyone else, so their movies have got to be spot on concerning accuracy on alien behavior. We should send some japanese robots to this Keprer 22 to teach the society there our meaning of 'Love' and equality through Sociarism. That is obviously the correct option here if we are to be proven space travelers.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-12-07 07:34:44 UTC
Umega wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Doesn't matter, they'll bring their equivalent of smallpox blankets over here and from what I've seen from movies it'll be like The Blob or something


I shall welcome our spainard speaking overlords and their superior blankets made of magic. As long as Russell Crowe's mustache doesn't turn into sex crazed tentacles that try to violate me without protection.. cause Japan's tech is generally a step above everyone else, so their movies have got to be spot on concerning accuracy on alien behavior. We should send some japanese robots to this Keprer 22 to teach the society there our meaning of 'Love' and equality through Sociarism. That is obviously the correct option here if we are to be proven space travelers.


Or we can send them a nice friendly warning not to come over here Pirate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_U2z5naWAw

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Umega
Solis Mensa
#33 - 2011-12-07 07:46:50 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Umega wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Doesn't matter, they'll bring their equivalent of smallpox blankets over here and from what I've seen from movies it'll be like The Blob or something


I shall welcome our spainard speaking overlords and their superior blankets made of magic. As long as Russell Crowe's mustache doesn't turn into sex crazed tentacles that try to violate me without protection.. cause Japan's tech is generally a step above everyone else, so their movies have got to be spot on concerning accuracy on alien behavior. We should send some japanese robots to this Keprer 22 to teach the society there our meaning of 'Love' and equality through Sociarism. That is obviously the correct option here if we are to be proven space travelers.


Or we can send them a nice friendly warning not to come over here Pirate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_U2z5naWAw


I can only hope that Youtube has a signal surfing through space right now.. and eventually some day other civilization's SETI projects will pick it up.. only then will they know, probably not understand, the true hidden nature buried within every human.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2011-12-07 11:58:25 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The human race needs new places to go in order to leave the much more weaker "administrative class" behind and grow.

Which is why aliens would stop us dead.

We will have to end the trend of tyranny, slavery, usury, and the usual trappings of humanity BEFORE we head out to the stars lest we bring it with us.

Because then we will have that new planet, in some years, having to send people here to liberate people from the death camps because everybody got stupid and started supporting dictators.

And then, a few generations later, the people on that planet, thinking "It can't happen here", will have the same thing happen but be even more blind to it than the earthlings they saved, and that new planet becomes the wellspring from which tyranny flows, with bases on over 900 other planets and a reserve currency that wrecks the economy of every other planet.

See a pattern here? It goes back 5000 years - from region to region, then to continent to continent, and now planet to planet?

I don't think any advanced races will put up with that - thankfully.

The other reason why they won't let us colonize beyond our own system is because humans will have sex with just about anything.

]nah by the time we get to an alien world with life on it's our tech will have expanded over 1000-10,000 years.

with any lucks the 1st space colonies that head out on muli generation missions will end up finding us allready there with tech we figure out far after the mission starts.

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2011-12-07 13:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Darrow Hill wrote:
Quote:
It is 2.4 times the size of Earth


Being "earth-like" is all fine and dandy but does this not pose a problem, in terms of usability?




The phrase "Earth-like" has different meanings depending on whether you're a journalist or an astronomer.

To a journalist it means an unspoilt Eden-like paradise where hamburgers grow on trees, populated by frolicking unicorns.

To an astronomer it means a lump of rock a certain distance from a star.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2011-12-07 13:42:21 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Darrow Hill wrote:
Quote:
It is 2.4 times the size of Earth


Being "earth-like" is all fine and dandy but does this not pose a problem, in terms of usability?



Provided the same atmospheric pressure as earth (kinda important so your blood doesn't boil) that would make standing on the surface exert a pressure of 2.4 Gs.

Would make standing around a lot harder but people in great physical shape could do it. Then hosting a show like "The Biggest Loser" on the planet would be 2.4x funnier because the only thing funnier than watching fat people do things is watching them do things when there's 2x the normal force of gravity on them


Its larger mass would likely mean that atmosperic pressure will be higher. A lot higher.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-12-07 16:52:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Miner
Umega wrote:
Got to love how some people draw conclusions on what is acceptable alien behavior based upon human nature and our own brain wave activity.. f'in brilliant.

Yes.. of course.. without a doubt an advanced alien race are peaceful people that all get along together while on their rainbow colored teddy bear space ships cause that's the only way they could manage to explore space. Certainly not out of greed for resources.. **** no.. it is most definitely for knowledge cause that is the correct way..

I mean.. duh. It makes complete sense that alien races would only visit other planets PURELY for scientific research and tourist vacation spots. So unlikely that a race a million years ahead of humans have NOT depleted their home planet of resource.. they obviously get power from daisies, mind melding, and love.

We are so savage.. there isn't a single species on this planet older than us killing and claiming turf and resources for themselves and select our group.. nope, just us. We are a special breed.

Get over what is morally acceptable, and thus the proper way to be inter-planetary travelers. We're all parasites leeching off a larger more intricate object.. and so are they. That's all their is to it.


You don't know that at all either, so why even try and put your own spin on it? Just as ridiculous if you ask me. It's a fact that our current way of running society isn't really working out (might = right, etc. etc.), and it would NEVER prove tenable enough for us to get off our own rock in any meaningful way.

So we either face annihilation or an evolution of how we as a species exist. Funny thing: our bodies are not made for space travel, they're made for sitting on temperate rocks with gravity. By the time we even manage to visit our outer solar system planets or even attempt to move beyond interstellar space, I think it'd be hard to call us homo sapiens, much like our ancestral hominids are not directly related to us.

And as for my opinion, I think it's very rare that any intelligent life has been able to get off it's own planet, I would also suppose given our current climate in society, that annihilation seems to be the most common case.

Edit: Just as an aside, 2001: A Space Odyssey is all about this. Man must take some leap of development to move into the next phase. Monkeys with tools -> Humans -> Humans with perfected tools (AI, space craft, etc.) -> Man overcomes his tools (kills HAL etc.) -> Starchild. It was crazy hippie aversion to technology that I think drove the plot to make man's jump in evolution by destroying his own tools. I would say that we must converge with our tools to make that leap.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#38 - 2011-12-08 00:19:11 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
Umega wrote:
Got to love how some people draw conclusions on what is acceptable alien behavior based upon human nature and our own brain wave activity.. f'in brilliant.

Yes.. of course.. without a doubt an advanced alien race are peaceful people that all get along together while on their rainbow colored teddy bear space ships cause that's the only way they could manage to explore space. Certainly not out of greed for resources.. **** no.. it is most definitely for knowledge cause that is the correct way..

I mean.. duh. It makes complete sense that alien races would only visit other planets PURELY for scientific research and tourist vacation spots. So unlikely that a race a million years ahead of humans have NOT depleted their home planet of resource.. they obviously get power from daisies, mind melding, and love.

We are so savage.. there isn't a single species on this planet older than us killing and claiming turf and resources for themselves and select our group.. nope, just us. We are a special breed.

Get over what is morally acceptable, and thus the proper way to be inter-planetary travelers. We're all parasites leeching off a larger more intricate object.. and so are they. That's all their is to it.


You don't know that at all either, so why even try and put your own spin on it? Just as ridiculous if you ask me. It's a fact that our current way of running society isn't really working out (might = right, etc. etc.), and it would NEVER prove tenable enough for us to get off our own rock in any meaningful way.

So we either face annihilation or an evolution of how we as a species exist. Funny thing: our bodies are not made for space travel, they're made for sitting on temperate rocks with gravity. By the time we even manage to visit our outer solar system planets or even attempt to move beyond interstellar space, I think it'd be hard to call us homo sapiens, much like our ancestral hominids are not directly related to us.

And as for my opinion, I think it's very rare that any intelligent life has been able to get off it's own planet, I would also suppose given our current climate in society, that annihilation seems to be the most common case.

Edit: Just as an aside, 2001: A Space Odyssey is all about this. Man must take some leap of development to move into the next phase. Monkeys with tools -> Humans -> Humans with perfected tools (AI, space craft, etc.) -> Man overcomes his tools (kills HAL etc.) -> Starchild. It was crazy hippie aversion to technology that I think drove the plot to make man's jump in evolution by destroying his own tools. I would say that we must converge with our tools to make that leap.


I don't know. No one knows. That's the point, Starchild.

Someone can pretend they got the answers all they want.. especially those that rolled one up then watched some doomsday prophecies on the History Channel and/or read them off the always reliable wealth of knowlegde called the interweb. "Yo man.. we can't do it like that, has to be a right way to do it. Not our way, we're doomed, man."

As far as our progression, comparing the last 200 years to the previous 20000 years before that.. yeah, I think we're progressing just fine despite what some people, selling their latest book for 19.95.. would want you to believe.

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Tear Miner
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-12-08 01:29:47 UTC
Umega wrote:
Tear Miner wrote:
Umega wrote:
Got to love how some people draw conclusions on what is acceptable alien behavior based upon human nature and our own brain wave activity.. f'in brilliant.

Yes.. of course.. without a doubt an advanced alien race are peaceful people that all get along together while on their rainbow colored teddy bear space ships cause that's the only way they could manage to explore space. Certainly not out of greed for resources.. **** no.. it is most definitely for knowledge cause that is the correct way..

I mean.. duh. It makes complete sense that alien races would only visit other planets PURELY for scientific research and tourist vacation spots. So unlikely that a race a million years ahead of humans have NOT depleted their home planet of resource.. they obviously get power from daisies, mind melding, and love.

We are so savage.. there isn't a single species on this planet older than us killing and claiming turf and resources for themselves and select our group.. nope, just us. We are a special breed.

Get over what is morally acceptable, and thus the proper way to be inter-planetary travelers. We're all parasites leeching off a larger more intricate object.. and so are they. That's all their is to it.


You don't know that at all either, so why even try and put your own spin on it? Just as ridiculous if you ask me. It's a fact that our current way of running society isn't really working out (might = right, etc. etc.), and it would NEVER prove tenable enough for us to get off our own rock in any meaningful way.

So we either face annihilation or an evolution of how we as a species exist. Funny thing: our bodies are not made for space travel, they're made for sitting on temperate rocks with gravity. By the time we even manage to visit our outer solar system planets or even attempt to move beyond interstellar space, I think it'd be hard to call us homo sapiens, much like our ancestral hominids are not directly related to us.

And as for my opinion, I think it's very rare that any intelligent life has been able to get off it's own planet, I would also suppose given our current climate in society, that annihilation seems to be the most common case.

Edit: Just as an aside, 2001: A Space Odyssey is all about this. Man must take some leap of development to move into the next phase. Monkeys with tools -> Humans -> Humans with perfected tools (AI, space craft, etc.) -> Man overcomes his tools (kills HAL etc.) -> Starchild. It was crazy hippie aversion to technology that I think drove the plot to make man's jump in evolution by destroying his own tools. I would say that we must converge with our tools to make that leap.


I don't know. No one knows. That's the point, Starchild.

Someone can pretend they got the answers all they want.. especially those that rolled one up then watched some doomsday prophecies on the History Channel and/or read them off the always reliable wealth of knowlegde called the interweb. "Yo man.. we can't do it like that, has to be a right way to do it. Not our way, we're doomed, man."

As far as our progression, comparing the last 200 years to the previous 20000 years before that.. yeah, I think we're progressing just fine despite what some people, selling their latest book for 19.95.. would want you to believe.


Yeah, NASA effectively being ineffective.

+10 progress. Oh I see now.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#40 - 2011-12-08 02:29:08 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
Yeah, NASA effectively being ineffective.

+10 progress. Oh I see now.


What.

Tell everyone who found a possible Earth like planet, determined its orbit and size, that it is in the butter zone, some 600 light years away? outta how many stars there are in the sky?

You obviously want to argue.. try another approach. I woulda went a different route personally than bitching about the people that found the reason this thread exists to begin with.

Sorry if steam engine to cars to planes to rockets to landing on the moon to sending probes to planets to landing robots on mars in a 120 year time span isn't quite fast enough for someone of your exceptional caliber and self determined brilliance.

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