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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Tammy Triscuit
#1161 - 2011-12-06 21:11:49 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
While I allready said I want WiS i eve more than other. Well other than maybe the neo neocom.

The fact is, WiS needs to be put on the backburner until all abandoned Content has not been abandoned anymore.

ESPECIALLY planetary interaction. With dust having a February release date, If PI doesn't get the attention it deserves Dust 514 will have no one in eve interested, because no one wants to fight over mining on planets in space.

We need populations control. We need limited space on each planet. We need schools and military complexes. We need a real planetary sim game, and we need it within the next 3 months or DUST 514 is going to fail hardcore.


Without limited space on each planet who the hell is going to fight over land, when it's not in limited supply. There is literally so many planets in eve, that there is no way every planet could be taken up. And if it's fun enough PI with limited space per planets could get people to spread out a bit.


Even if only 40 spots were on every planet, there are still 4-8 planets per system. Which means each system could support anywhere from 160-320 players.

Without some kinda of real PI experience like we saw at fanfest, Dust has no chance : (


It's not going to happen, CCP is going to have Dust stand on it's own merits as an FPS. They aren't counting so much on EVE players using Dust. I think they're going to market it as a cheap or free? Console download with free updates to people who don't necessarily play EVE, telling them they are effecting this huge space universe (lie to them) and hopefully bring new younger customers to EVE. I don't think most EVE players own a console, though I think the eve-radio channel viewers probably do.

That's just my guess. But the end result is that we will not get a planet sim, mark that down as another CCP pipe dream much like establishments were. Even though they'd probably like to and it would be great. They aren't capable of it.


Taiwanistan
#1162 - 2011-12-07 03:00:29 UTC
Zevina wrote:
WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.

WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :)


who liked this? step out seriously i want to know
this is what is wrong with you people

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1163 - 2011-12-07 04:04:27 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Zevina wrote:
WiS will be very popular as soon as player interactive aspects are implemented. Having a full body character preview was the first step in the right direction. Now other players can at least see how you dressed up your space barbie. Thats cool. I for one love it and hope all the cool announced features will come out sometime soon.

WiS is a whole new level. Playing Sims in Eve will bring lots of new players, its cool! :)


who liked this? step out seriously i want to know
this is what is wrong with you people


Yes how dare someone talk about Incarna in something other than a reactionary whiney manner. Naughty poster. Don't you know that EVE is all about toeing the party line and never saying anything positve about the game.

Why can't you be more like Taiwanistan and stumble out a poorly thought through and essentially inane arguement that is nothing more than parroting of the standard 'OMG its not flying in space therefore I hates it' drivel.

Good on you Zevina for saying what you like about EVE and about what you are looking forward to.
Taiwanistan
#1164 - 2011-12-07 04:33:25 UTC
i am inane and i am against ccp dedicating resources on worthless crap
i hate space barbie dress up
i hate enhanced chat room with /emotes which is what the whole incarna wis amounts to
what part of that do you have trouble understanding?

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1165 - 2011-12-07 04:47:27 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
i am inane and i am against ccp dedicating resources on worthless crap
i hate space barbie dress up
i hate enhanced chat room with /emotes which is what the whole incarna wis amounts to
what part of that do you have trouble understanding?


Your first three words sum you up nicely.

Thankyou for providing clarity.
Taiwanistan
#1166 - 2011-12-07 04:54:49 UTC
whoa you got me, am humbled by your retort
please explain to me the importance/desire/benefits for:
space barbie dress up
/emote avatar chatting
and what i will be missing out if i am not /emoting with my avatar

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1167 - 2011-12-07 05:04:13 UTC
[quote=Taiwanistan
and what i will be missing out if i am not /emoting with my avatar
[/quote]

If you don't like a particular feature or activity in EVE, don't do it, there are plenty of others things to do Just don't expect that you should be able to come on the forums and demand that CCP focusses on only those features that you like.

In a sense, the pro-Incarna players have the same demands as those players that enjoy null-sec, or PVP, or industry, or PI; which is that CCP doesn't neglect their preferred play style or release half completed features.

EVE has thousands of players, thankfully not all of them are you.
Taiwanistan
#1168 - 2011-12-07 05:11:40 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Taiwanistan
and what i will be missing out if i am not /emoting with my avatar


If you don't like a particular feature or activity in EVE, don't do it, there are plenty of others things to do[i wrote:
Just don't expect that you should be able to come on the forums and demand that CCP focusses on only those features that you like.[/i]

In a sense, the pro-Incarna players have the same demands as those players that enjoy null-sec, or PVP, or industry, or PI; which is that CCP doesn't neglect their preferred play style or release half completed features.

EVE has thousands of players, thankfully not all of them are you.


oops too late for that, thousands of players like me have appealed to the csm and now thankfully incarna is on ice in the morgue
and you still haven't explained /emoting to me

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1169 - 2011-12-07 05:14:54 UTC
Tammy Triscuit wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
While I allready said I want WiS i eve more than other. Well other than maybe the neo neocom.

The fact is, WiS needs to be put on the backburner until all abandoned Content has not been abandoned anymore.

ESPECIALLY planetary interaction. With dust having a February release date, If PI doesn't get the attention it deserves Dust 514 will have no one in eve interested, because no one wants to fight over mining on planets in space.

We need populations control. We need limited space on each planet. We need schools and military complexes. We need a real planetary sim game, and we need it within the next 3 months or DUST 514 is going to fail hardcore.


Without limited space on each planet who the hell is going to fight over land, when it's not in limited supply. There is literally so many planets in eve, that there is no way every planet could be taken up. And if it's fun enough PI with limited space per planets could get people to spread out a bit.


Even if only 40 spots were on every planet, there are still 4-8 planets per system. Which means each system could support anywhere from 160-320 players.

Without some kinda of real PI experience like we saw at fanfest, Dust has no chance : (


It's not going to happen, CCP is going to have Dust stand on it's own merits as an FPS. They aren't counting so much on EVE players using Dust. I think they're going to market it as a cheap or free? Console download with free updates to people who don't necessarily play EVE, telling them they are effecting this huge space universe (lie to them) and hopefully bring new younger customers to EVE. I don't think most EVE players own a console, though I think the eve-radio channel viewers probably do.

That's just my guess. But the end result is that we will not get a planet sim, mark that down as another CCP pipe dream much like establishments were. Even though they'd probably like to and it would be great. They aren't capable of it.




That's weird because they already said that Dust player have the same access to PI as EVE players.

And review sites have already seen eve players shooting the planet in real time. I mean it's not really real time, it's faked, as in your shot lands randomly has a delay. The point is, both players get the same PI interface, and can shoot each other.

Without meaningful PI, even without eve, dust will suck.

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Sinitron
DEATHFUNK
#1170 - 2011-12-07 06:37:13 UTC
my only problem is that for a company with so many employees ccp sure puts out an absolute minimum of content
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1171 - 2011-12-07 06:48:06 UTC
Sinitron wrote:
my only problem is that for a company with so many employees ccp sure puts out an absolute minimum of content


BINGO!

during incrana they had 80- devs on FiS. How do 80 devs make less content than 30 devs back with red moon rising.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Psychophantic
#1172 - 2011-12-07 07:41:41 UTC
It's obvious WiS is popular.

Look at the numbers for June and Incarna and compare them to current Crucible numbers. Incarna attracted a lot more attention.
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#1173 - 2011-12-07 07:52:10 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Sinitron wrote:
my only problem is that for a company with so many employees ccp sure puts out an absolute minimum of content


BINGO!

during incrana they had 80- devs on FiS. How do 80 devs make less content than 30 devs back with red moon rising.


Not according to the DevBlog from July 2010.
Incarna = (9 teams, approximately 70 developers)
FiS = (3 teams, approximately 22 developers)

Do you have a reference for the numbers you are quoting.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Sinitron
DEATHFUNK
#1174 - 2011-12-07 07:59:07 UTC
That's still almost a hundred devs who sat around twirling their thumbs and pretending to do something for a good few months.
Flamespar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1175 - 2011-12-07 08:04:59 UTC
If only CCP would deign to give us some clarity on the future of Incarna.
Boris Ginnungagap
Doomheim
#1176 - 2011-12-07 08:06:44 UTC
Back to roots is much more fun than space barbies in station.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#1177 - 2011-12-07 15:30:03 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Come on CCP, a response please!

Thread stats so far

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Likes - 1,775



You bumped this to the top of eve general for a month an half and received only 136 likes for your op claiming "some of us do want incarna."

As was mentioned earlier there have already been 2 devblogs on incarna for the crucible release.

Perhaps due to a mass exodus from the game when incarna was all we ever heard about, it is not the golden child anymore. Perhaps your expectations that ccp will talk about incarna every dev blog should be adjusted.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#1178 - 2011-12-07 15:59:45 UTC
Incarna, like this thread and its many supporters desperate for it, should be euthanized. It would be humane and the most merciful thing to do.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1179 - 2011-12-07 17:13:39 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Incarna, like this thread and its many supporters desperate for it, should be euthanized. It would be humane and the most merciful thing to do.



to get your brain back ...................that way ----------------->




Hey CCP i know you are watching

R.S.I2014
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#1180 - 2011-12-07 17:22:29 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Incarna, like this thread and its many supporters desperate for it, should be euthanized. It would be humane and the most merciful thing to do.



to get your brain back ...................that way ----------------->



EVE Online, without Incarna is straight ahead. Second Life is to your left.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.