Market Discussions

Mature playerbase means people can make isk efficiently. We don't have enough people coming into the game who are in a position where selling plex for isk makes sense.

800 mil is really nothing when you look at how fast you can make isk in the game. Even doing ****** level 4's in highsec will get you enough money for a plex in 1-2 days. Less than 10% of your playtime each month dedicated to paying for a plex. I mean the sad part for me is that it unironically makes more sense for me to pay for plex through game isk rather than work in real-life for the plex.

Rather annoying really since I'm far too lazy to make isk via PVE and I cbf to put effort into things to make money. Feels bad when you need a cyno alt and you plex one of your cyno accounts, use it once, and then don't use it for the rest of the month.

Frankly I think the better question to ask is why plex is still 800mil and not much higher already.

You clearly don't know anything about this game. If you can't do more than 2-3 missions per hour I dunno what's wrong with your brain but you probably should get checked for some sort of mental degeneracy.

I almost feel bad for you, so I'll help you out trying to understand how you should not suck. So a long time ago, when I first started playing, the first thing I did was train for an abaddon, and my goal was to be able to get a plex in a month (at the time they were 300 mil), and never pay real money for this thing. I ended up paying for my sub twice, and by month 4, I had a ****** abaddon fit. I used this abaddon fit to blitz missions for Carthum Conglomerate.

Why Carthurm Conglomerate? Well, the main reason was/is that you can buy 5 run imperial navy enam blueprints from the LP store, and at the time you could make roughtly 2.5k isk/LP off of that item if you sold them, which is pretty good for a highsec LP store. Now, even though I was a new player, I am not dumb so I understood that the value in missions lay not in the loot, salvage, or bounties, but instead in the LP reward. As I recall, the LP reward was between 5-10k for the missions I was doing. I would turn down bad missions, and at the time I would manage to do about 5-6 missions per hour in a ****** meta fit abaddon with huge cap problems.

This made me relatively good money for being ~4 months old, to the turn of about 40-50k LP per hour. Just converting this alone into navy enams made me about 100 mil per hour, and of course you had mission isk rewards adding on top and the occasional lucrative storyline mission.

So I'm not inclined to believe what you say at all with regard to highsec missions. I will grant that this was a long time ago, but nothing has changed in missions significantly outside of drone aggro, which doesn't matter for an abaddon. I was using a ****** ship, with a ****** fit, and ****** skills, but the reason it worked was because I knew the money was in blitzing the missions, and for many missions, this simply involved killing only a couple things, and not clearing the mission.

400mil per day is easy in highsec L4's. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's not doable or stable. In fact it's probably one of the most stable sources of income there is. Maybe you won't get as great LP conversion rates as I did, but I was also using a ****** ship. With a proper blitz fit tengu/ishtar/mach what have you, I'm quite certain rates upwards of 100 mil/hour are easily attainable.

Plex prices will never be 12bil either, since nobody is going to spend a whole month slaving in the game to buy a plex. But certainly 1-2 days is not that much right now, especially considering this could be dispersed over an entire month in chunks of 1-2 missions per day. I suppose part of the reason plex prices are low is because people like you are too dumb to figure out how to make isk from the easiest endeavors in eve.

Still, the man is touching upon a point in a roundabout way. Making isk in eve has never been simpler, the creation of tools such as fuzzworks have made high isk/lp conversions possible for the masses, minmatar fw has achieved stable dominance as the isk making faction, incursions have been pretty much worked out and people hold your hands through them while renting (read afk botting anoms) has never been easier to get into.

The amount of work needed for an idiot to make 800m is considerably less than it was for the same idiot 3 years ago to make 400m.

Console yourself thinking that EvE is stil relatively "elite" in its player base. I am also playing ESO and they have just butchered the one fun thing in that game (challenging veteran levels) to cater to the masses who could not manage FIVE keys.

You can tell that most of the people in this thread are old school vets. It's only "easy" to make big ISK if you've got all the skills, tools, and accounts necessary to do so.

I challenge each of you to start a fresh 14-day trial (no Power of Two, no PLEX), andstart playing the game like a total noob. Don't transfer ISK or assets between characters. Don't help your new character out with your previously existing characters. Don't accept ISK or assets from existing friends/corpmates. Don't join your current corp. For bonus points, don't use special information/experience that you have access to for the purpose of playing the market. Play as a true noob.

When you have enough ISK to have a stable of ships for your tasks, plus some backups for PvP, and enough for PLEX, THEN tell everyone how "easy" it is.

The thing is a LOT of the people complaining are old enough to make decent isk.I'm not talking about '''newbro's '' , for example the last one i responded to who was complaining on GD about the plex prices was a guy who ''had problems with plex because he could not fund his MOM-holder''.That guy was even older then i am in eve.Anyone who is older then a year in eve can make isk easy enough.And anyone with half a brain can do that even sooner when he starts playing with the market instead of locking npc's or roids.

And as i have pointed out a zillion times , plex is a CHOICE you make and ''us old vets'' know that because we still remember the time there was no PLEX in the game.
You can perfectly pay with cash to keep your subbs going.And yes people complain they don't have enough cash for that , while everyone and their mom is walking with mobile phones worth more then all the phones i have had in my entire life.

In reallity people don't think eve is WORTH paying rl cash these days so they mostly use plex .It's the same people who complain about plex that are the cause why it is so high.As with everything , you want to lower the price of an item then stop buying the damned thing .
Besides being a chef in a kitchen i also work in a fishshop , our best selling fish is the most expensive one we have and everyday people come in and complain how expensive that type of fish is ... and then they buy exactly that one and walk out the door moaning about what it costed.Offer and demand , it is SO simple .

My small stock pile of PLEX is almost gone. The daily login numbers always seem to be in the low 20's. Does everyone PLEX all their accounts now? The demand seems to be increasing while the login numbers are decreasing (It is summer, numbers are usually low I think). Then again, I still only train one character per account. I guess that 20 could be close to 40 or 50 PLEX wise if everyone is training multiple characters per account?


We need our economist back, let us know what is going on.

Leading to less isk/LP for the better stuff.


Leading to crap isk/LP for the stuff in their FW store.


Leading to contesting drama and people killing off the mom so people can't farm them as effectively. These all balance out by market forces. The more idiots that do them, the less profitable it gets for everyone.


This is plain ISK printing and does not balance out very well. But doubt average idiots run bots for long, could be wrong, have no experience with it.


But if you look at the increases in the last year or so, what has been made that much easier for the average idi... pilot? Null ratting has been nerfed repeatedly. Incursions were nerfed at some point, not sure when. FW farming was nerfed recently and in the past. Exploration has only been made easier, but we've also had price crashes for the loot and daily Astero kills in null.

I don't buy this. Maybe you have more people trying to make enough ISK to plex accounts but it's not easier. Rather it makes it harder because of more competition over the sources of good ISK.

Except according to the economist, eve is in DE-flation, not IN-flation