Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First of all, running logistics through Wormholes (from stain specifically) is something I have personally done. Extensively. If you legit believe that people will play this game to do THAT on a regular basis, you are horrendously out of touch. At best they'll move to low or blue-up as I mentioned before, which brings us back to stagnation, yay. At worst they'll unsub, but vOv.



Here's the thing though: If I can only move stuff when the blocs are busy touching each other (and even then at great risk), I'm not gonna live in NPC null. Why would I choose to live in a place where my supply lines are interdicted 90% of the time? I'll move to low sec.

Is that what we want? People moving out of NPC Null into Lowsec? Because that's what's gonna happen.

So......how much of eve are we going to change to accomodate sov blocs? I mean FFS we're already assuming that fuel alchemy is gonna be implemented which will affect every single region (Hisec (towers, ice mining), WH's (towers), Lowsec (Caps and towers), NPC 0.0 (Caps and Towers), Sov (Caps and Towers)). Jump drive changes will additionally affect Low, NPC, and Sov but also the T2 market in Hisec.

Let's screw with everything just because we cant stop the guys with caps in null sec from setting everyone blue.

**** it, ALCHEMY ALL THE THINGS! You get some alchemy! And you get some alchemy! NEED FUEL? ALCHEMY THAT **** BRO. Alchemy for EVERYBODY!

Please, take a step back and recognize your solution is terrible if your plan is to alchemy everything. Please and thank you.

Look I have not been able to reason with you. You see things your way I and others see them differently. Believe it or not I want people like you in null sec. I want more of you. In fact I would think it would be awesome if nullsec was comprised of small groups like yours . However we will never get there or anywhere close with the current set of rules. Ultimately CCP is going to decide which direction to go. They use part of my ideas or anyones ideas ITT or they might just have another way of doing things we havn't even considered. All we can do is try to have a intelligent discussion about it that might perhaps give them a view of perspective or ideas they may not have discovered themselves. I think nullsec could be self sustaining without being dependant on the tether to empire. You have to use your imagination to explore that scenario. It can't be based off what you currently know and accept as normal. In regards to your comment about nidhoggers there is always going to be some op ship in the game. The thing thats constant is that thing thats op changes has changed many times before and will continue to change.

If this is the single, overriding concern as to why changes should not be made to the capital ship classes in regards to the mechanics by which they operate, any changes at any level will never work and we are left with the status quo.

Not to be overly pedantic, but [citation needed].

Manny it is ok they dont have the full picture. Most of the people who are against the idea have never played the game when it was the norm or they are vets and realize how much isk they are making and how easy it is. They don't realize good people are leaving cause the game is not what it use to be. Fleets are not about navigation and the rule never fly what you cant afford to lose no longer applies. It is sad the second generation of eve does not know the game that made it great. This by far is the single most important change CCP has to look at . Get us back to the gates and making EVE big again and the"WARS" NOT FIGHTS EPIC not a dunking match. The game was regional once it can be regional again but it has to be a hard change and create a challenge for all eve players and removing the jump ability and bridging ability of all ships would reset the table and make it so. Call me shallow but playing this game was so much more fun when that was the case.

Nidhoggurs: Nerf warp speed. Wanna use 1000 nids 60 jumps away, have fun travelling for 12 hours, call it 8 hours with rigs.

Suppies for little guy: I already posted this idea but apperanlty in invisible ink. Don't make this nerf to blops, rather increase their bridge range even more. Then the little guy can bring in T2 cruisers and mining barges one at the time with blockade runners.

Moon goo: Remove moon goo, seriosly, let passive income die in fire. Make those materials come from PI, hacking and mining anoms so that eveyone can do it.

Depleting resources: Sounds good on paper but how would it affect 1-station alliances? They work their space for weeks to make their sov as strong as possible and just as it becomes strong enough that a larger entity might not bother, then you get nothing but frig spawns in your anoms and have to go take new sov and start over?

I mentioned the catalyst idea earlier I think it would be interesting to have to import "nitrogen distillates" from other areas of null to your local area and combine with the local ice to make nitrotopes. Make it rather small and its a quick but tense wormhole trip away for the little guy or a blackops raid for the alliance players. Either way that is content being created.

Why alchemy when you can just fill Blockade Runners full of moon goo (instead of jump freighters).


Here's the thing, do you really think it's possible to interdict supply lines 90% of the time? Without being able to jump across the universe in minutes how much space will the current large blocks (or at least the corps) be able to maintain AND be able to lock down supply lines. How many people would they have to dedicate to the shipping lanes constantly to be able to effectively lock them down from groups of whatever sizes?

Expecting this to happen is extremely unrealistic.

On the other hand, expecting people to engage the shipping lane defense force would not be unrealistic. Nor would informing/hiring people to attack said entity from a different front to recall those pilots.

The only thing that we need to really worry about is pod express. But that could be taken care of to a major extent by requiring pilots to have to actually be in the station they want to install their med clone.


The biggest benefits to this change would be the inability for huge coalitions to be effective. Currently all the capitals/supers have such mobility that they're able to be counted collectively throughout all of space. With jump drives effectiveness gone, you'll have localized capital forces that'll have to be moved around to be effective. And because of their slow nature, either you'll just be able to circumvent a capital force, or the capital force will be limited to defending a very small range of the most important systems. And strategy will play a much larger role in wars, where a smaller amount of pilots can do a much larger amount of damage than could have happened previously with just a little bit of strategy.

Who knows, maybe in the future we can build small destructible Jump Gates with low mass allowances to sneak around space.
Maybe we could start manufacturing structures using nanites sort of like they do in "Total Annihilation", nanolathing the materials and the more ships you have doing it the faster it constructs. And obviously it wouldn't have a "disable/reinforce" it would just be destroyed like a ship, or maybe they'd be hackable for them to be used against the installer. The possibilities are endless!