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Should WH mining sites be signatures?

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Dally Lama
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-09 21:31:08 UTC
In a recent expansion WH mining sites were switched to become anomalies, which means they can be warped into without scan probes.

The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.

Whats your opinions on this? Should they keep them as is - screw the risk averse - or should they restore them as signatures where constant d-scanning for probes can keep you safe (unless theyve pre-probed).

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2014-07-09 21:44:11 UTC
Drop drag bubbles at every probable incoming vector and make a bookmark to avoid them yourself? Then if they try to drop on you they're far out of scram range.

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#3 - 2014-07-09 21:46:57 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Drop drag bubbles at every probable incoming vector and make a bookmark to avoid them yourself? Then if they try to drop on you they're far out of scram range.


Until they learn to scout in a cloaky?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#4 - 2014-07-09 21:50:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Anything that affects someone personally and makes it so they have to actually think always ends up being called a stupid idea.

Happens all the time. High, low, null, wormhole, FW...whatever. Everyone's a whiner when it's their game being affected. But as always, the smart ones will adapt and the entitled will go elsewhere.

I guess that's my long winded way of saying HTFU.

Mr Epeen Cool
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#5 - 2014-07-09 21:54:56 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Drop drag bubbles at every probable incoming vector and make a bookmark to avoid them yourself? Then if they try to drop on you they're far out of scram range.


Until they learn to scout in a cloaky?

Nothing exploity about dropping a can or three in the bubble as long as they're not dozens to lag the other one out. You only need a blip as a warning and warp out.

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Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-09 22:02:07 UTC
So you'll drop a drag bubble and cans once a day to account for the opening and closing of new wormholes?

honestly the problem is more that wormhole ore sites aren't worth the risk. . they just clutter my scanner.

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#7 - 2014-07-09 22:10:29 UTC
All belts in all areas of space should be moved to signatures, and done in a way that people probing for other things don't have to see their signatures at all. Kind of like the Predator's way of seeing things. In one version of the solar system overview mining stuff is filtered out right at the start without having to even deploy probes. Can switch through various views. Maybe give the mining probing its own look, more like a heat overlay visual on the system that gradually tightens up until you get a warpable hit. Some sigs will be a normal big ole belt, smaller ones a small cluster or even a singular massive roid.

Make miners have to search for their roids. Give botters a harder time. Allow miners warning from probes on scan.

Then make the actual act of mining more active and interesting... somehow.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#8 - 2014-07-10 03:43:33 UTC
I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back.
The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety.
Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious.
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-07-10 04:24:39 UTC
They were better before the change.
Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-07-10 09:15:41 UTC
Seeing how most roid fields in C2 and above span 200km anyone caught at zero warp in, in a field needs to be killed... no deserves to be killed.


Also - Scouts, L2Close open holes, Siggy connections AND MOAR SCOUTS.




Oh and don't forget to boost inside your POS :P

The Prospect makes this a non-thing anyways.


''Holy snarks Space Cadet - Combat probes on scan!'' *presses cloak* = profit
Sodabro
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-07-10 09:51:24 UTC
but then nobody will go to them because magnets
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-10 09:59:03 UTC
Yes, without a doubt they should be returned to scannable signatures. Giving hunters the advantage of being able to warp to ore sites without any effort is massively imbalanced to a point where people simply don't mine anymore. It's fine in K-space where the miner has local to help assess threats but not in wormhole space.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#13 - 2014-07-10 13:03:43 UTC
+1 to bringing back Gravi sigs.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#14 - 2014-07-10 13:08:56 UTC
Dally Lama wrote:

The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.


No, they dont and no they havent

Any that have stopped because of this have no idea how WHs actually work

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E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#15 - 2014-07-10 13:17:41 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
I've lived & mined in w-space. No, they shouldn't go back.
The pro mining groups just close all their wormholes & mine in virtual safety.
Scanning the damn things down every day & in every system you visited was tedious.

I dont know that much about WH but I always herd that once you roll a wh another opens? Is that not correct? I do listen to a couple of WH podcast and this subject has come up several times.

Is rolling a hole different for each class of WH?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2014-07-10 14:46:45 UTC
I was against mining anoms from the start. They should have stayed sigs imo.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-07-10 15:09:17 UTC
I haven't mined in WH but belts don't need probes and neither should mining anoms. These two things are more or less the same in my mind, in terms of exposure.

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Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-07-10 15:35:37 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dally Lama wrote:

The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.


No, they dont and no they havent

Any that have stopped because of this have no idea how WHs actually work


Do you live in wormhole space?

Any experienced wormholer who knows how wormholes work would not make such a baseless and bold statement.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#19 - 2014-07-10 16:03:28 UTC
Quinn Corvez wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dally Lama wrote:

The result is that most WH communities now agree that mining at all in a WH is a stupid idea and many past WH miners have simply stopped.


No, they dont and no they havent

Any that have stopped because of this have no idea how WHs actually work


Do you live in wormhole space?

Any experienced wormholer who knows how wormholes work would not make such a baseless and bold statement.


What, that its entirely possible to mine more safely in a WH than in Highsec?

I think any experienced wormholer (sic) knows this, its hardly baseless

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#20 - 2014-07-10 17:54:53 UTC
There's a reason not to mine in WH and that because you have haul that ore out for refining but Crius should fix that little issue.
Also sucking gas takes as much time but is vastly more profitable then slugging ore about.
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