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CCP employee policy on playing eve ?

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killertoaster
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2011-12-06 16:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: killertoaster
I SCAMMED IA IM CCP SOUNDWAVE................ lets se if we get a new commentator to the next eve tournament Twisted

its a joke for to serious readers
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2011-12-06 17:02:15 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Raid'En wrote:
CCP Xhagen wrote:
should a character become outed as a CCP employee character either the character is deleted permanently or copied to a new characterID, that allows you to continue playing - but any and all social ties that character had have to be severed..

What?


Raid'En is obvious dev!
Sever him, sever him!

PS: CCP aren't allowed to grief and scam? ... Really?


This isn't surprising actually.

Most people seem to be convinced that CCP *explicitly* encourages scamming, metagaming, 'griefing' and etc... This is simply not true, and in fact CCP's *original* stance was that they discourage such gameplay, but permit it. See: linkage.

Relevant quote is:
Quote:
CCP is against scams and scam artists of this nature in-general, but so long as people abide by the EULA, funds or assets acquired through what one would term fraud and/or embezzlement in RL are within the context of the game at-large, and thus not actionable by CCP.
.

Examples of CCP actions which support this claim:
1) Alliance P nerf
2) Replacement of the old Escrow system with the new Contracts system
3) Removal of "Loan" and "Freeform" Contracts
4) Strengthening of CONCORD repeatedly - not only to make it impossible to perma tank them, but also to make suicide ganking less viable.
Boadicea Wales
Doomheim
#63 - 2011-12-06 17:26:06 UTC
Firstly a Dev should know the game inside and out, this has to be an advantage even if they are playing a normal account.

So simply being a Dev is an advantage surly Roll
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2011-12-06 17:39:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mycool Jahksn
I must say that I find it funny really.

Yes, CCP employees are not allowed to tell anyone about coming game changes that lead to market speculation but; isn't it funny that the market orders for items that become very powerful post patch always increase dramatically the week before the patch is released?

I remember back in the day when Expanded Cargohold I blueprints were converted to Expanded Cargohold II BPO's and when you listed the market orders for these you could easily see that some people knew beforehand that this change was coming.

Sad but true. Don't believe everything that CCP tells you m'kay?

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fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2011-12-06 17:46:04 UTC
why do you think they added the sound fonts so that men could sound like girls? ^^

should be a minimum requirment of at least 1 hour a week playing.

from the drops from some of the ships in the ccp incursion to tama (good job btw) either they were being kind or some of them thought 2k nano repair paste was a good amount to bring along in a pvp fight. or maybe some of them don't pvp :P
whatever whateverson
Doomheim
#66 - 2011-12-06 17:54:07 UTC
Boadicea Wales wrote:
Firstly a Dev should know the game inside and out, this has to be an advantage even if they are playing a normal account.

So simply being a Dev is an advantage surly Roll



Yeah that is why nr1 players/raiders in WoW are blizzard employees? Nope, not in vanilla, crusades or wotlk. What about star craft 2? nope, counter strike by valve? nope, ok what about NFL by EA? nope, so your argument does not necessarely holdmuch water, exception being actually cheating devs, but just by being a developer is not a case for being good at the game. Devs work on different things etc and work does not=play
Mess1ah
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2011-12-06 18:07:15 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Anyone else in here besides Akita T and Nova Fox remember the T20 thing?


nope:P
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#68 - 2011-12-06 18:33:34 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Raid'En wrote:
CCP Xhagen wrote:
should a character become outed as a CCP employee character either the character is deleted permanently or copied to a new characterID, that allows you to continue playing - but any and all social ties that character had have to be severed..

What?


Raid'En is obvious dev!
Sever him, sever him!

PS: CCP aren't allowed to grief and scam? ... Really?


Only when it relates to promising content and then not delivering. That's still OK.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2011-12-06 18:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Nika Dekaia wrote:
Isn't voice chat a problem - at least for the more prominent Devs? Many corps require voice chat at least for corp events or PvP. I guess most people would knwo who they talk to over voice if it would have been e.g. Soundwave or StevieSG.


Voice comms tend to distort the natural voice of the person speaking, so Soundwave or Stevie would sound substantially different over Teamspeak or Eve-voice compared to in real life or on the videos of Fanfest or the Alliance Tournament.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Mess1ah
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2011-12-06 19:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mess1ah
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Nika Dekaia wrote:
Isn't voice chat a problem - at least for the more prominent Devs? Many corps require voice chat at least for corp events or PvP. I guess most people would knwo who they talk to over voice if it would have been e.g. Soundwave or StevieSG.


Voice comms tend to distort the natural voice of the person speaking, so Soundwave or Stevie would sound substantially different over Teamspeak or Eve-voice compared to in real life or on the videos of Fanfest or the Alliance Tournament.


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Nika Dekaia
#71 - 2011-12-07 00:24:23 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Nika Dekaia wrote:
Isn't voice chat a problem - at least for the more prominent Devs? Many corps require voice chat at least for corp events or PvP. I guess most people would knwo who they talk to over voice if it would have been e.g. Soundwave or StevieSG.
Voice comms tend to distort the natural voice of the person speaking, so Soundwave or Stevie would sound substantially different over Teamspeak or Eve-voice compared to in real life or on the videos of Fanfest or the Alliance Tournament.
Umm...yeah...guess that's why I totally know who of my friends is speaking on voice....silly me. What?
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#72 - 2011-12-07 03:42:55 UTC
CCP Xhagen wrote:

I'm not comfortable with giving out figures of how many CCP employee accounts there are out there.

That's cool for me Xhagen, was just curious.

I understand that whatever figure it would be it would trigger people too whine about too much time spent on playing games or too little interest in their own game ;)

One note to people hinting about devs cheating in the game would be to remember the T20 affair and the fact that CCP did, after some time, come open about the issue.

And they did announce their IA division and the CSM.

It would be corporate and/or professional suicide to get caught with their hands dirty again.

The fact that former (more or less) high profile players now work at CCP and that former CCP employees have returned as players (and CSM delegates ;)) also provides a bit more transparency.

And while I'd love to have wand of wishing in EvE, I wouldn't use it if it would risk my job, or my company.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#73 - 2011-12-07 03:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Acac Sunflyier
CCP Xhagen wrote:
Son Callar wrote:
Hi,

I'm quite interested to know if CCPs policy on their employees playing eve is available somewhere or if anyone knows how they handle that ?

For example are CCP employees allowed to let people know they work for CCP, are they allowed to join player corporations, if an employee has an already active character are they allowed to continue playing on that character etc.

I'm interested purely for personal reasons, it is not that I know of a CCP employee ingame or am trying to put out dirt on someone, just interested on how its handled, if anyone knows.

Thank you !

The rules covering CCP Employees are not public as far as I know, but the gist of the rules has already been posted above.

As has been stated in this thread, CCP employees are allowed to play EVE, using normal accounts. In addition to be required to follow the EULA, the TOS and other rules to the letter, any 'gray' area gameplay by CCP employees is forbidden. Griefing, scamming, exploiting or the abuse of knowledge of coming game changes (market speculation) absolutely fall under that.

Furthermore, it is forbidden to reveal that we work for CCP when playing on our normal characters and should a character become outed as a CCP employee character either the character is deleted permanently or copied to a new characterID, that allows you to continue playing - but any and all social ties that character had have to be severed. The actions depend on how the character was outed.

And needless to say, Internal Affairs watch all CCP employee accounts very carefully.



So, how would CCP IA figure out that you're playing a character? Even if you got a friend request for a trial from a neighbor, and then subscribed with plex, and stayed on with plex, how would they figure it out? Is it because you guys are using the dev console? Is it because you guys use the Kunami Code?
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2011-12-07 03:50:17 UTC
Mycool Jahksn wrote:
I must say that I find it funny really.

Yes, CCP employees are not allowed to tell anyone about coming game changes that lead to market speculation but; isn't it funny that the market orders for items that become very powerful post patch always increase dramatically the week before the patch is released?


Because of devblogs and the test server. I didn't buy/produce all of these mechanical parts because of a crystal ball.

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IIIAsharakIII
The League of Extraordinary Assholes
Leviathan.
#75 - 2011-12-07 03:58:22 UTC
Dear OP,

I'd love to tell you all about it, but then I'd lose my job.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#76 - 2011-12-07 04:05:33 UTC
I'm surprised CCP staff are allowed to play at all.

Having access to insider knowledge, whether it is abused or not, is a huge integrity issue. Perception is reality.

Human nature being what it is, I've no doubt that line has been crossed in the past.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2011-12-07 04:33:28 UTC
can we get a graph about how many eve dev alts troll on forum?
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2011-12-07 06:32:17 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
I'm surprised CCP staff are allowed to play at all.

Having access to insider knowledge, whether it is abused or not, is a huge integrity issue. Perception is reality.

Human nature being what it is, I've no doubt that line has been crossed in the past.


it was. But still

Taking an advantage is actually not an advantage because you lose the part where you are part of competition.
In other words cheating is actually perfect way to lose any interest in the game.
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#79 - 2011-12-07 07:08:06 UTC
Son Callar wrote:
Hi,

I'm quite interested to know if CCPs policy on their employees playing eve is available somewhere or if anyone knows how they handle that ?

For example are CCP employees allowed to let people know they work for CCP, are they allowed to join player corporations, if an employee has an already active character are they allowed to continue playing on that character etc.

I'm interested purely for personal reasons, it is not that I know of a CCP employee ingame or am trying to put out dirt on someone, just interested on how its handled, if anyone knows.

Thank you !


Das Goons are very proud to have many developers and GM's in their corp. they chat them up on Skype all the time.

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Serene Repose
#80 - 2011-12-07 07:32:30 UTC
The CCP Employee Policy on playing EVE:

1. Play well and play hard.
2. Cheat only if it's necessary.
3. Extra points for playing at work.
4. Deny everything twice.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.