Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the only way I am +1 on this

IF EVERY JUMP CAPABLE SHIP CAN DO IT

SUPER+TITAN+CARRIER+DREAD+JF+BLOPS+RORQ

Some != None

There's a lot of risk present in any situation where you're blindly jumping into another system.

Normally, a cyno alt doubles as a scout of sorts- without prior intel, you're putting a lot at risk.

@Trollin

Giving a ship class a unique ability isn't so bad

Look, please, be constructive. Or try, for EVE's sake.

I completely understand your logical statement.

Can you please address my question in the context of the proposal at hand?

I'll proffer my own logic:

Jumping a fleet of covert ships and Black Ops to a point in space at a covert cyno != jumping a fleet of black ops ships to an unscouted system at random points (with a delayed warp-off and inability to light cynos).

To do the first, you have a little risk (how much, you've yet to tell me), and to do the other, you have no risk.

EDIT: You, as a defending fleet, certainly won't catch a black ops fleet that doesn't want to fight. They can wait out their timers and jump to a new system. Though, to do so, they will have to uncloak for a small period of time (which MIGHT be enough for a crazy-good prober to get a ping and warp to it, but probably not). As a black ops fleet, you will be able to infiltrate behind enemy lines by jumping blind into systems, however you wont catch anyone if they dock up upon local spikes (but you couldn't catch them jumping through the gate either..you're in a slow ship).

In order to bring the BLOPs to a system, yes, you would lock onto the star and pop to a random point nearby.

In order to bring in ANY other ships, the BLOPs would then need to light a cyno or covert cyno, depending on what was doing the bridging.

So, you either have a fleet consisting of billion ISK hull & fitting combinations, or you are using one to light a cyno.
Either way, I see high risk, and BLOPs in the field itself, not just opening bridge portals at a safe and secure staging area.

As to using the jump to get out of trouble, this assumes no point has been applied, unless I missed something.

How is the black ops that jumped able to bridge the fleet to him with the cyno he lit? Maybe I am misreading what you wrote.

you use 2 black-ops... one jumps and ligths cyno the other bridges.

It's about differentiation and avoiding changing more game mechanics.

You're concerned about this being overpowered, and, in turn, a fair limitation is to maintain the existing game mechanics for covert-bridging covert ops ships. If you want to bridge in a fleet to a system, you've gotta fly a ship there and light a covert cyno. There's no need to change this.

This proposal is related to a specific ADDITIONAL role for Black Ops hulls that does not change existing mechanics. It allows Black Ops, and them alone, to jump without a cyno. To avoid this being a back-door to avoiding the existing cyno requirement, it is necessary to prevent a cyno from being used afterwards.

Covert Ops != Black Ops.

After this change, one solution is to just prevent black ops from fitting covert cynos all together.

I would not be too quick to pull that from the table, and I would like to point out why.

This jump tactic only fits two situations, in my opinion, with any real probable chance.

1. Time is short, and the cyno boat would not be able to reach before players critical to success needed to leave.

2. The systems are so well locked down, that use of the regular cyno boat has been discouraged. This makes the target area a prized opportunity for demonstrating that null sec can be dangerous anywhere.

I would point out that a battleship hull, uncloaked as needed for even a covert cyno, would not be a great challenge to scan down.
It would also be very likely to me, that seeing this ship land would inspire many proficient scanning pilots to become alert and hunting for the ship to do just that, decloak for a cyno, so it could be nailed in the act.

My solution



Prototype jump navigation computer rig.
Electronics rig. 300 calibration(maybe 200)

Allows the blops to jump without cyno support.
Penalty, cyno and covert cyno cant be fit to ship. (None of this mobile depot refitting bs)

Tech 1, 1min spool time, 1half cynoable jump range
Tech 2, 40 seconds 2/3rds cynoable range.

Ship must be uncloaked while spooling up the drive. Ship speed while spooling the drive locked at 0m/s defensive gear and weapons can be used. Can be canceled with 1 point of warp disruption. Capacitor need for jump is removed upon starting the jump.

There now its a hardwire choice you rig right into the ship thats costly to change.

Maybe play with the numbers though. 1 minute is an eternity in hostile territory. Maybe 45/30 or 30/20 so the person probing you would need to be quick