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Have i just witnesed an exploit?
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MADDOG87 EIGHTSEVEN
TheAuthority
#1 - 2014-07-07 12:45:47 UTC
Hi, So me and a few corpies where gate camping in low and all of a sudden to our joy we got a +1 and gate fire with local spike,Now the only difference from the hundreds of other GC we do in low this one was odd very odd indeed. Reason being the guy who jumped in appeared in local so me and my fellow tear collectors where reading our webs and points. Now we assumed the unsuspecting vitim was holding his 30 sec cloak to asses his situation and how to best un-**** himself from it so we waited in suspense staring at our overviews and wondering how he would react.

However he vanished completely,off local nothing on overview and nothing in neighboring system, nothing on D-Scan it was like he just decided today wasn't a good day fro him to be gate-camped and logged off. Now i know when you log you are still in a suspended sate in space so i don't think he logged off cause we would have saw his ship. SO MY ? IS WTF HAPPENED ?

now am not fussed about missing an opportunity to kill someone cause there is ample opportunity for that all i want to know was someone using an exploit to cheat his/her way out of a GC?

PS: No trolls plz.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#2 - 2014-07-07 12:55:56 UTC
Depending on the size of the system you were in it could have been a leopard, sometimes they wont appear on the overview because of the server tick and they can cross a system in seconds and be out without a peep. even outranging your D-scan within 2 1/2 seconds or less

Other cause could be DC'ing when jumping the gate due to traffic control, sometimes they just insta-blip to the 1m Kms off and disappear before they show up on D-Scan.

There is however no doubt in my mind that that guy did not go off an exploit the game to avoid a gatecamp. so it had to be something else

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MADDOG87 EIGHTSEVEN
TheAuthority
#3 - 2014-07-07 13:00:10 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Depending on the size of the system you were in it could have been a leopard, sometimes they wont appear on the overview because of the server tick and they can cross a system in seconds and be out without a peep. even outranging your D-scan within 2 1/2 seconds or less

Other cause could be DC'ing when jumping the gate due to traffic control, sometimes they just insta-blip to the 1m Kms off and disappear before they show up on D-Scan.

There is however no doubt in my mind that that guy did not go off an exploit the game to avoid a gatecamp. so it had to be something else



The system he jumped into was a dead end system he only had one way out that was the gate he just come in, i had eyeballs in the other system and they reported not seeing him come back so he did log off. He couldn't have come through a WH casue we got gate fire and have not saw any WH ,


Well it's possible he DC and 1m KM insta but just convenient he did it when there was a GC in place it just all smells fishy to me TBH . ohh and i sat in system for another 2 hrs after the incident and he hasn't come back so if he did DC then why hasn't he tried to re log?
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#4 - 2014-07-07 13:08:42 UTC
Ok so dead end system largely removes the possibility of the leopard unless he managed to do it and dock or go out through a wh during that tick where you may not have seen him. So i would actually take bets off that one

The DC while jumping does happen, its happened to a few people i know and a few times while weve been camping as well.
Now if somehow you showed up for him and he didnt for you he may not have relogged to avoid the camp entirely when he did DC. ( if he did )

Yea this is a weird Scenario but simply removing yourself like that has no guarentee it will work in the first place. I would be extra fishy if it were a large ship.

Other than that maybe you misheard the gatefire or someone called it wrong and it was a WH, they can spawn really suddenly and be rolled quickly if needed.

either way, weird

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#5 - 2014-07-07 13:10:25 UTC
Other even less likely idea if you and your fleet were using identical overviews theres a possibility he was in something not included on it when someone edited it or post patch, for a while i couldnt see mordus ships and missed an orth because of it

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-07 13:49:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
This guy might actually speak the truth.

This happened to my alliance when an Orca jumped through one of our LS-LS gates the other day. 100% saw him jump through on the other side, but he never showed up. Then a minute later he just left local.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-07-07 20:10:59 UTC
Yeah my corp saw this happen in gallente losec a few days ago. We had just got there and saw gatefire, saw local go up by 1, but after a long time, no shippy. Soon after the guy dropped from local. Can't remember if we even saw him on dscan. We were alone in the system tho, so its not like he had eyes on us.

edit, our eye on the other side did see the guy jump
MADDOG87 EIGHTSEVEN
TheAuthority
#8 - 2014-07-07 21:37:46 UTC
Yes i don't doubt there is some form of xploit for this, i have reported it to CCP to see what they say.
evomad2
The Straw Men
#9 - 2014-07-07 22:23:04 UTC
You used to be able to do this in a black-ops iirc, not sure if it's changed.

Jump in, see the camp while you're holding your cloak, think 'screw that', light cyno with a fleeted alt, jump out.

May be a possibility?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-07-08 04:37:54 UTC
If you jump a gate or undock then pull the plug on your modem before your ship connects to the other end, this is what you get. The best part? CCP is currently perfectly ok with this, so everyone is doing it.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-07-08 06:51:39 UTC
evomad2 wrote:
You used to be able to do this in a black-ops iirc, not sure if it's changed.

Jump in, see the camp while you're holding your cloak, think 'screw that', light cyno with a fleeted alt, jump out.

May be a possibility?


Someone jumping out is anything but subtle.

Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you jump a gate or undock then pull the plug on your modem before your ship connects to the other end, this is what you get. The best part? CCP is currently perfectly ok with this, so everyone is doing it.


When I saw this, the orca pilot was still online after he left local.

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PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2014-07-08 07:30:53 UTC
MADDOG87 EIGHTSEVEN wrote:
....Well it's possible he DC and 1m KM insta but just convenient he did it when there was a GC in place it just all smells fishy to me TBH . ohh and i sat in system for another 2 hrs after the incident and he hasn't come back so if he did DC then why hasn't he tried to re log?

Convenient is the wrong word to use under the circumstances Smile

If the person is on a poor connection and/or the node is stressed even just a couple of ships produce enough added stuff to his grid load that he can disco .. might of course have yanked the cable but assume innocence until you see it repeated under varying conditions.

PS: Camping a cul-de-sac .. your survival instincts need some steroids or your enemies some balls.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-07-08 14:33:17 UTC
Wait, why are you gate camping a dead end system? That's the fishiest part of the story to me. Dead ends don't get a lot of traffic, so why are you camping there?
Puppy Eating
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-07-08 22:51:52 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Wait, why are you gate camping a dead end system? That's the fishiest part of the story to me. Dead ends don't get a lot of traffic, so why are you camping there?


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MADDOG87 EIGHTSEVEN
TheAuthority
#15 - 2014-07-09 14:07:11 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Wait, why are you gate camping a dead end system? That's the fishiest part of the story to me. Dead ends don't get a lot of traffic, so why are you camping there?


We where waiting for someone who lives in and has been setting a pattern of hauling his pve **** after DT.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#16 - 2014-07-09 17:40:54 UTC
AFAIK this happens (or atleast happened to me a few times)

If you got an AP route set, it sometimes has some hiccups and instead of spitting you into the new system at the gate you just came through, it spawns you at a station undock or at the next gate according to AP. It sometimes makes for quick freightering.
Unlike K-space, where it rarely happens, this happens frequently when you're closing a wormhole and your orca is spawned inside your POS FF, exactly where you logged in before. Had that quite a lot while living in a c2.


So I guess, hiccups and he got spat out past you, assuming undock. So he docked and logged off it sounds like.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#17 - 2014-07-09 17:45:12 UTC
You ******* are high. Quit playing eve intoxicated and stuff like this will not happen.

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