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Forest Camo In Space Is Dumb

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#121 - 2014-07-08 11:40:31 UTC
Xavier Liche wrote:
Just sayin...


Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame.

Conspiracy? Blink


Just like in the RL every military faction is required to have distinctive markings and insignias in order to be correctly identified.
(Except for black-ops, which do not use them while in operations usually, but are still required to have and display them when not in combat). This is needed to protect against false-flag operations. There are several conventions in place that specifically prohibit a military from using another military's identification (uniforms, insignia, flag, etc.).
In EVE (we're talking the 221st and 1/2 century here) visual identification doesn't take the prime place anymore (there's no guy with a spy-glass calling "engine-ho!" whenever a ship comes around) and instead computerized identification (FoFs, transponders etc.) take the spotlight. If camo would be applied to ships in space the only true option would be black, but then again (if based on visual identification) it would be kinda hard to pick out the enemy in a swarm of black ships.

Therefore, in EVE, if camo for the sake of hiding the object fails - what is it for then?
And the answer as stated by many ppl is simple - to standardize and create a visual distinction between the different faction navies and armies.
Take the Caldari for example and their well-known "nazi-blue" (ahem!) paint-job and their navy-blue camo. It's not used to hide the ship per-say (even if the Caldari nebula is blue) but instead it takes it's roots from the pre-space era. When most likely the Caldari Navy, sailing the oceans of Caldari Prime used it for camouflage. When the space-era came, in order to maintain a clear distinction between their ships and other (factions or corporations) the logical step was to keep the Navy camo, again as a distinctive marking not as camo. And this appies to the other 3 Empires also. Why devise a new camo (which for all point and practices would be not effective) when u can keep the old one and thus retain the feel of tradition, continuity and belonging to a group that is very old and proud.
This would happen in the RL world if suddenly we would have a functional space-armada - it would either take the markings of the Air Force or the Navy (somehow I have the feeling the Europeans will stick with Navy :P) while your "bad ass team of ultimate bad-asses"* will side with the Marines :P and keep the green uniform, not because it hides them in space but because "Hoorah!" .

Hope that clears things up for you.


* pour les connaisseurs

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Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#122 - 2014-07-08 17:19:10 UTC
Another one who has not served and made something up Roll

TharOkha
0asis Group
#123 - 2014-07-09 05:05:33 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?

Or flat grey?

Or splattered in pretty red stains?


This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains.

And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2014-07-09 05:23:23 UTC
Xavier Liche wrote:
Just sayin...


Also noticed when I searched that almost every anti-camo thread is locked, but they seem really popular and really tame.

Conspiracy? Blink


Because "Thou shall not blaspheme the noble Gallente Federation"


(this post = oh, no..... Gara's back)

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#125 - 2014-07-09 07:29:00 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?

Or flat grey?

Or splattered in pretty red stains?


This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains.

And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))


Are you actually trying to say that you think camo is a more likely colour to find a ship in than flat grey, flat tan ("gold", snerk), flat snot-green or brown?

Yeah, but no

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2014-07-09 07:37:11 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?

Or flat grey?

Or splattered in pretty red stains?


This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains.

And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))



Ummm..... Cop Comet is back. That happened almost 6 months ago.
And I don't ever remember Vindi going camo, unless it was a short-lived thing that happened during one of my inactive periods.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#127 - 2014-07-09 07:51:30 UTC
Xavier Liche wrote:
Another one who has not served and made something up Roll

Incorrect. It's another one who explains in very simple terms the reasons why anyone would pick a particular paint scheme for their ships, and you being utterly incapable of coming up with any kind of counter-argument so you have to make something up (and fail massively at that too).

You're wrong. About everything. Live with it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2014-07-09 08:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Camo is awesome, especially the digital paint job I used to have on my old S-13 180SX.

Also, OP is dumb for being so cynical over something so trivial.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2014-07-09 09:13:37 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Camo is awesome, especially the digital paint job I used to have on my old S-13 180SX.

Also, OP is dumb for being so cynical over something so trivial.


AND a fellow Nissan man.
I knew here was a reason I always liked you. :p

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#130 - 2014-07-09 20:37:47 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
As a ship could be any colour you like and it makes no difference, what makes forest camo a less intelligent choice than police lights?

Or flat grey?

Or splattered in pretty red stains?


This thread is mainly about why is camo so abundant in eve over flat grey or splattered in pretty red strains.

And why has CCP such urgency to paint camo on ships that weren't camo textured before (police comet for example or Vindicator (thankfully they changed it to black at the end))


Too bad they didn't change all the Minmitar ships back, I see even some stations are being painted camo.
Boom McCondor
Doomheim
#131 - 2014-07-09 21:34:13 UTC
Xavier Liche wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Xavier Liche wrote:
Camo has historical significance? This is gotta hear Big smile

Sure. It's as much a unit identifier as any other marking or colouration. All such identifiers can gain some kind of significance over time.


No, the shoulder patch (in the US) is the unit identifier, esp right side because that is the combat unit you serve with.

BDUs are all the same.

Slight correction here. You're allowed to wear the patch of any unit you've gone to combat with on the right shoulder as well as the US flag. I think they're phasing out the combat patch in favor of a pocket badge, though. The left shoulder is reserved solely for your current unit.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#132 - 2014-07-09 21:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: KIller Wabbit
CCP fired all the lore people.

Actually this is incentive plan for Aurum based paint jobs. They will make your favorite PvP hull so damn ugly you'll gladly plex to get the dancing pink elephants painted over. Twisted
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2014-07-09 22:00:56 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP fired all the lore people.

Actually this is incentive plan for Aurum based paint jobs. They will make your favorite PvP hull so damn ugly you'll gladly plex to get the dancing pink elephants painted over. Twisted
This only works on those who get offended by a paint job in a game where many spend a large portion of their undocked time zoomed too far out to see it, and that those who don't are all somehow offended by camo. <3 Navy Mega, camo and all.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#134 - 2014-07-09 22:49:27 UTC
Not everyone can be flying a Serpentis ship.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2014-07-10 00:00:33 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP fired all the lore people.



This would never happen, CCP still need them for PR.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2014-07-10 00:14:01 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP fired all the lore people.



This would never happen, CCP still need them for PR.



nah just bribe the larger nullsec entities into having a "big space battle" every 6 months or so.

dem goons doe
Rankan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#137 - 2014-07-10 00:26:38 UTC
Camo looks better than rust, which in my experience has been the main reason for spraying a vehicle with it.

So blame the Minmatar.


masternerdguy
Doomheim
#138 - 2014-07-10 01:06:41 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:

This would happen in the RL world if suddenly we would have a functional space-armada - it would either take the markings of the Air Force or the Navy (somehow I have the feeling the Europeans will stick with Navy :P) while your "bad ass team of ultimate bad-asses"* will side with the Marines :P and keep the green uniform, not because it hides them in space but because "Hoorah!" .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYGgOXww48

Indeed.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2014-07-10 04:11:01 UTC
Rankan wrote:
Camo looks better than rust, which in my experience has been the main reason for spraying a vehicle with it.

So blame the Minmatar.





It's not rust it is patina, and Minmatar started the whole "rat rod" fad.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#140 - 2014-07-10 09:33:14 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:

This would happen in the RL world if suddenly we would have a functional space-armada - it would either take the markings of the Air Force or the Navy (somehow I have the feeling the Europeans will stick with Navy :P) while your "bad ass team of ultimate bad-asses"* will side with the Marines :P and keep the green uniform, not because it hides them in space but because "Hoorah!" .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHYGgOXww48

Indeed.


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