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War Dec system needs and urgent and fast change

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Skydive
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-12-06 18:47:56 UTC
Take a look at this thread and u know why

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881

Atm theres absolutly no sense in war deccing someone for what reasons ever.

If u war dec someone to shot his tower he will join the alliance and get kicked out again so there is no more war when the tower comes out of RF.

As a Gm stated it is possible if u agress the tower nonstop.

NP there are people who are addicted who would do this for 24 hours but there is a downtime.

With the current system its possible for every corp to get stripped of war decs in 24 hour which is just a f*n joke!

Atm its more like Hello Kitty Online then EVE.

With this system were its legal to Ally hopp every day its impossible for mercs to chase someone.

One part of the game got completely removed from the game
Goose99
#2 - 2011-12-06 18:49:27 UTC
Skydive wrote:
butthurtOops


Move to low/null. Problem solved.Lol
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#3 - 2011-12-06 18:51:01 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Skydive wrote:
butthurtOops


Move to low/null. Problem solved.Lol


Heh heh... OP got Goosed.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Skydive
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-12-06 18:54:03 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Skydive wrote:
butthurtOops


Move to low/null. Problem solved.Lol


Heh heh... OP got Goosed.


is there a reason i should care about what a little junky says?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#5 - 2011-12-06 19:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
as you are in high sec, and actually only bribe concord for no real reason, its all right.
Where a wardec is, there should be an unwardec, otherwise that would be unbalanced.
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#6 - 2011-12-06 19:43:28 UTC
Skydive wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Skydive wrote:
butthurtOops


Move to low/null. Problem solved.Lol


Heh heh... OP got Goosed.


is there a reason i should care about what a little junky says?


You mad ?
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#7 - 2011-12-06 20:20:48 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
Skydive wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Skydive wrote:
butthurtOops


Move to low/null. Problem solved.Lol


Heh heh... OP got Goosed.


is there a reason i should care about what a little junky says?


You mad ?


He mad.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-06 22:52:24 UTC
Sad thing is, OP doesn't relize he isn't entitled to play just his game because it is a sandbox. The guys he wants to wardec do want to play their own game and that migh in cludet not wanting to be shot at or have a POS destroyed (which makes you ask, why the f*ck would anyone want to do that often? AFK industrial mining is the same thing). OP probably missed the memo...POS towers got more expensive to run by the introduction of the new PI towers....so they are still at risk of folding in on themselves if the owner is unable to maintain the profits. So if POS towers get to expensive...well they will just strip them down and that leaves ganking which is already been around since 2003...just need to pick your targets more carefully instead of laughing it away for a measly 2 mill wardec charge Roll since insurance is voided with CONCORD. Or just go to lowsec, problem solved.
Xan So'Sarian
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-06 23:27:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Xan So'Sarian
Ignore the go to low sec / null sec.

The current system allows invincible undefended towers which can be jam packed with research laboratories and manufacturing bays, this needs to be fixed.


Edit,

It also allows people to have an invincible blockade on towers within any high security system they chose. This can be very bad for logistics in large alliances.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-06 23:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Supported. Alliance Hopping is one of the biggest problems Eve-O is facing and effects everyone either directly or indirectly.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2011-12-06 23:54:24 UTC
Virtually nobody in highsec "removes" wars by alliance hopping, the entire thing is basically a non-issue and all of the people who flipped out because of it and claimed that GM Karidor's post heralded the end of highsec wars were flat out wrong. That includes a certain member of my corp who would ***** endlessly about it despite the fact that it virtually never happens.

The only significant issue is with POS corps dropping from an alliance to make their towers invulnerable, this problem was present before that announcement was made and has more to do with the fact that POSes (which are not a feature designed with highsec in mind) are present in highsec to begin with.
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
#12 - 2011-12-07 00:23:17 UTC
Skydive wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Skydive wrote:
butthurtOops


Move to low/null. Problem solved.Lol


Heh heh... OP got Goosed.


is there a reason i should care about what a little junky says?


Is there a reason we should care about what you a little carebear says
Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#13 - 2011-12-07 01:17:49 UTC
grazer gin wrote:
Skydive wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Skydive wrote:
butthurtOops


Move to low/null. Problem solved.Lol


Heh heh... OP got Goosed.


is there a reason i should care about what a little junky says?


Is there a reason we should care about what you a little carebear says

Then why post in the thread if you don't give 2.
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#14 - 2011-12-07 02:32:17 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Supported. Alliance Hopping is one of the biggest problems Eve-O is facing and effects everyone either directly or indirectly.



only a "problem" in empire. Low and null sec, nbsi. Live it love it. Corp, alliance don't matter. Not blue, shoot it. extends to pos for the bashers. Find a pos in a .3 you just don't like....concord will not come to save it. have at it. 0.0 pos same thing.



findng empire pvp bad...leave empire. Carebears are not looking for fights. makes complaining about lack of pvp in empire rather idiotic. even funnier, not all these carebears are carebears. Lots of 0.0 types have empire pos' on alts. they are doing this crap to make money and when dec's come up, bust empire "pvpers" balls. too busy out in 0.0 to play with you, may as screw around with you for the lolz.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#15 - 2011-12-07 03:06:00 UTC
It's funny that I never see people telling nullsec folks to move to highsec when they complain about sov mechanics being crap.

Bad game mechanics should be fixed regardless of the type of space they are most relevant too. Fixing bad mechanics makes the game better and it's incredibly childish to oppose making the game better because you want people who play the game in a different type of internet space to you to have to play a worse game.
Goose99
#16 - 2011-12-07 03:24:59 UTC
Misanthra wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Supported. Alliance Hopping is one of the biggest problems Eve-O is facing and effects everyone either directly or indirectly.



only a "problem" in empire. Low and null sec, nbsi. Live it love it. Corp, alliance don't matter. Not blue, shoot it. extends to pos for the bashers. Find a pos in a .3 you just don't like....concord will not come to save it. have at it. 0.0 pos same thing.



findng empire pvp bad...leave empire. Carebears are not looking for fights. makes complaining about lack of pvp in empire rather idiotic. even funnier, not all these carebears are carebears. Lots of 0.0 types have empire pos' on alts. they are doing this crap to make money and when dec's come up, bust empire "pvpers" balls. too busy out in 0.0 to play with you, may as screw around with you for the lolz.


But that stuff is dangerous, he might lose his boat!Cry

He'd rather shoot industrials, or... a POS!Lol
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#17 - 2011-12-07 04:45:42 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
It's funny that I never see people telling nullsec folks to move to highsec when they complain about sov mechanics being crap.




becaue sov genuinely needs work. Its better than pos warfare predominion....but not by much. Whine about alliance hopping....shiiii, if goons wants to break their alliance and hide in anohter, someone will be there 2 hours laters to go for the much easier sov claim.

Do step 4 instead of 3 first....days to the system siege. And the ehp boosts....ugh. It requires the blob which calls upon the lag monster.

has backdoors and workarounds which are borderline exploits, but not always. think hopping sucks, try figuring out gm's decision when you drop sbu/tcu/outposts/hell any sov structure right before a long dt cycle. One alliance does it its an exploit,anohter does its fine. made worse by timezones. We can do this in oceanic tz a decent bit. Not exploiting....1-2 hours before dt is in our prime time. No alarm clocks involved. Eat dinner, drop structure, or run security ops till the server say buh bye. then go watch nightime television. Now want to fry an alliance that has no oceanic corps and is alarm clocking it....by all means. This however has not been cut and dry over the years.


Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-12-07 04:50:25 UTC
*facepalm*
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#19 - 2011-12-07 05:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
But iff you just moved to highsec you'd never have to deal with sov ever again so the issue is completely solved and sov mechanics don't need to be fixed.

Just because a problem isn't relevant to your gameplay it does not lessen that for all of the people whos gameplay is affected by it and telling people to change the type of space they play in to avoid bad mechanics dosen't make mechanics less bad.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-12-07 18:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
Get a raptor or crow and go to their POS (if it's in highsec) then just fire a shot so they recieve an attack warning, leave, then repeat the process fer tunz o' lulz.
tl;dr annoy them into undeccing you.
http://imgur.com/km0gB
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