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Want some pew pew

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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-06-27 14:47:10 UTC
I used to like losec roaming in frigate and cruiser, but I'm never able to get a proper fight. I always turnaround for hours with nothing to pew pew with, and then I sometime have to escape a 10-men gatecamp, but nothing I can really fight with.

I end up by doing a dumb thing like engaging a fight that I'm sure to loose (like engaging AS with kiters slower than the AS itself for instance), just because I'm tired of doing nothing. I've tried Gallente / Caldari and Amarr / Minmatar warzones, genesis, bleak lands, kor azor, and it's like a desert.

So I've come up thinking that the only thing I'll be able to encounter are small gangs of higher tier ships. I've seen some killboards or some videos where people are able to deal with it, but I have no clue on how they're doing so.

I like the idea of fighting outnumbered because I have nor the time nor the will to join a PvP corp with people up for roam, and also because I think it's the best way to learn how the PvP really works (instead of following FC commands, which basically doesn't require reflexion). But is there somethink I can do with a T1 cruiser ?

So I'm looking for advices on which area may provide fights that I can handle, and how to fly cruisers when you're outnumbered ?
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-27 14:48:38 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
I used to like losec roaming in frigate and cruiser, but I'm never able to get a proper fight. I always turnaround for hours with nothing to pew pew with, and then I sometime have to escape a 10-men gatecamp, but nothing I can really fight with.

I end up by doing a dumb thing like engaging a fight that I'm sure to loose (like engaging AS with kiters slower than the AS itself for instance), just because I'm tired of doing nothing. I've tried Gallente / Caldari and Amarr / Minmatar warzones, genesis, bleak lands, kor azor, and it's like a desert.

So I've come up thinking that the only thing I'll be able to encounter are small gangs of higher tier ships (dunno where those guys find enough ISK to lose a Vaga a day oO). I've seen some killboards or some videos where people are able to deal with it, but I have no clue on how they're doing so.

I like the idea of fighting outnumbered because I have nor the time nor the will to join a PvP corp with people up for roam, and also because I think it's the best way to learn how the PvP really works (instead of following FC commands, which basically doesn't require reflexion). But is there somethink I can do with a T1 cruiser ?

So I'm looking for advices on which area may provide fights that I can handle, and how to fly cruisers when you're outnumbered ?

Dally Lama
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-06-27 14:58:57 UTC
Are you actually struggling to find fights in FW zones?

I agree with you completely as it applies outside of FW. I've more or less given up trying to hunt the locals, I now only go after someone if they happen to be in the way.

In FW zones though you should be finding fights rather quick. Have you tried places like Amamake?
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-06-27 15:06:04 UTC
Dally Lama wrote:
Are you actually struggling to find fights in FW zones?

I agree with you completely as it applies outside of FW. I've more or less given up trying to hunt the locals, I now only go after someone if they happen to be in the way.

In FW zones though you should be finding fights rather quick. Have you tried places like Amamake?


You easily find frigate fights, but for cruisers it's 4v1 or nothing.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-27 16:27:22 UTC
Triakis Cadelanne wrote:
Dally Lama wrote:
Are you actually struggling to find fights in FW zones?

I agree with you completely as it applies outside of FW. I've more or less given up trying to hunt the locals, I now only go after someone if they happen to be in the way.

In FW zones though you should be finding fights rather quick. Have you tried places like Amamake?


You easily find frigate fights, but for cruisers it's 4v1 or nothing.

This is true, but if you were in the frigate, how often are you going to engage a size class up? Even if the cruiser is not properly fit to fight you, what are the chances that it has backup in surrounding systems?

I've been finding a lot more fights after I started roaming with small gangs of 3-8 people. Keep in mind that finding engagements is as much a part of pvp in eve as shooting the target and controlling range are.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-06-27 17:00:24 UTC
While obvious mainstays like 'go to losec/null/fw' yield known-quantity results, pewgasms can surprisingly be found in qood quantity in...

Hisec.

...one just need be shown the golden path, spreading the holy word of HTFU to the heathens while doing so.

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Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-06-27 22:33:15 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
While obvious mainstays like 'go to losec/null/fw' yield known-quantity results, pewgasms can surprisingly be found in qood quantity in...

Hisec.

...one just need be shown the golden path, spreading the holy word of HTFU to the heathens while doing so.

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This is kind of bullshit imo, and that's not what I'd call a real fight.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#8 - 2014-06-29 03:37:58 UTC
If you are having a hard time finding fights in fw low sec, chances are you're being a scared a little pansy, and not taking the fights in front of you.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-06-29 09:38:01 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
If you are having a hard time finding fights in fw low sec, chances are you're being a scared a little pansy, and not taking the fights in front of you.


Still there's fights I don't take that's true. Then if you tell me a way for my Thorax to do something vs a Gnosis + a Vaga + an Scythe + a Rapier it'd be great
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#10 - 2014-06-29 19:38:13 UTC
First of all, your example is hardly indicative of all the fights in low sec, so please don't patronize me with one so ludicrous (you might as well have asked "what can I do versus a destroyer fleet in my noob ship? this game is 2 hard.")

Secondly picking fights doesn't alway mean you get the fights you want, you WILL get blobbed, you WILL die, you WILL get outplayed, but if the fights you find result in people running away, or not willing to fight you, then you are likely picking fights that lean too far in your favor.

Finally, you can almost always bank on stupid, you can quite often hit above your weight class simply because a very high number of people are simply bad at this game and in particular at pvp. They rely on extreme numerical superiority to come out on top in fights and many times you can fight against these higher numbers because they are overconfident in there size. Obviously don't dive into a 20 v you blob but consider what you can kill before you succumb to the rest of them. Heck you might even escape after killing one or two, which is even better. Knowing the strength's and weaknesses of your ship like the back of your hand will go a long way in helping you achieve these things. On the flip side, knowing what the ships you're fighting are capable of is also important.

PS - back to your question about that Thorax, it can run away or it can die in a blaze of glory, the choice is yours.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-06-29 22:16:39 UTC
Haha this Thorax ran away pretty well after a few cross jump. However, maybe you're right and that I should try harder fights.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-06-30 15:44:18 UTC
Hey Triakis, IIRC we had a couple of good fights and a chat or two when I was still in FEDEF, 9 months ago.

I haven't tried solo roaming in cruisers yet, but this thread has some good advice.

Learning to engage 1 v many is an excellent way to a) find fights, b) have fun, c) feel very cool and l33t Lol

I agree with Dun'Gal, many of the guys that only roam in small groups are terribad, a disciplined solo PVPer has higher chances than the numbers would suggest.


The old 'separate them' trick is always good. I once met a sentinel+merlin+harpy while I was flying a coercer.

After a few minutes of warping around, I managed to get the sentinel alone @ zero: blap blap. Shortly after, the Merlin+Harpy started chasing me but the Harpy warped out: blap blap the Merlin. I left the harpy alone (I didn't have a point on that coercer anyway).


By the way, have you tried destroyers? A typical 10MN AB coercer, for example, can wreak major havok on a small group of frigates. And since dessies aren't so common, in my experience (in and around Black Rise) you'll find several small frigate gangs that underestimate them.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#13 - 2014-07-08 12:34:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
OP, I have a story for you. Two days ago I was roaming solo in a Moa. I came across 2x Scythe Fleet Issue and a Blackbird. Not wanting to engage that entire fleet, I went for the gate-split. I did not expect much webs in this gang, so I let them agress me and made it back to the gate. While two of them agressed, the third did not in case I made it back. Excellent.

I jumped. He jumped along, and agressed: he now took sentry guns. His mates had a 1 minute weapons timer at the other side so I decided to shoot back. He did not anticipate the dual LASB tank I slapped on, my tank was way better then his and he started to lose. He pulled range... I cursed myself for slapping a disruptor on instead of a scram! He got away... should I have had that scram, he would have been toast. Twisted

Later on we threw a small gang against theirs. GF's were exchanged. I lost my Moa but we got a 100m+ Scythe Fleet Issue kill with a nice faction drop. Moral of the story? There are ways to manipulate pre-fighting conditions, and having some friends on voice comms goes a long way finding suitable targets, or grouping up to kill harder ones.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#14 - 2014-07-08 21:12:08 UTC
Try Fua constellation in Domain. It's not FW, but it connects to losec in Sinq Laison and Kador so it's actually a decent pipe if you're in a fast ship. There's occasional gate camps in Naguton, but otherwise it's mostly 1-2 ships at a time*. Just quiet enough to avoid large gangs, not so quiet that you can't find a target.

I fly there solo pretty regularly. Maybe we'll run into each other.... Blink



*All info is US EST. No clue what it's like in other time zones.

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