Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's obvious the Ishtar is far stronger then it's other racial equals. CCP has confirmed this just by adjusting it's point value for the upcoming alliance tournament. What makes it overpowered is it's ability to project 600dps over 70km. Instead of nerfing the Ishtar or sentry drones, why not boost the other three ships in a way that won't make them overpowered at close range.

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My idea including an ammo change for one ship:

Zealot:

Role Bonus:
50% Optimal range bonus to Medium Beam Lasers, 10% Damage Bonus to Medium Beam Lasers


Eagle:

Role Bonus:
30% Damage bonus to Medium Railguns

Munnin:

Role Bonus:
50% Optimal range bonus to Medium Artillery, 30% Damage bonus to Medium Artillery

Ammo Change:
(Sabot, Uranium: 15% more damage, 15% Optimal Range reduction)
(Proton, Nuclear, Carbonized Lead: 35% more damage, 30% Optimal Range reduction)

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Two things this creates the need for would be, the need for a Strategic Cruiser re-balance, and a possible T2 Combat Battleship that is based around long range damage.

You make the mistake of taking an out-off-game event as an evaluation of your ingame claim. Further more has dps alone no merit to balancing a ship.

The Zealot is already the most powerful and prefered one for certain circumstances.

And not every ship has to work the same in terms of applied dps, range and tank and then just copy paste it onto the factions with adjusted racial weapon systems.

The Ishtar is good, no doubt and maybe easier to get into, but the biggest issues are counterd by play style, use of the role and up to the player.

-1 so far

And regarding fittings (CPU, Grid, Cap) that could be looked into, but was not mentioned by th OP.

Show me on the doll where the sentries touched you.

Ishtars aren't especially overpowered. You'd have to be completely oblivious to the prevailing meta to think they are. The reigning Ishtar PvP fit is extraordinarily weak under fire, being focused on outputting maximum DPS whilst kiting idiots and receiving huge reps from scimitars. Remove the logi from the equation and you'd quickly see how big a trade-off the gank Ishtar fit is.

You dont have to look at the AT to know the Ishtar is OP. Anybody who lives in 0.0 or Lowsec knows the Ishtar gang is EVERYWHERE. All ishtars, all the time.

I'm sure CCP has internals somewhere that shows them that everybody is flying ishtar gangs.

POOOOOOOOWWWEEEEEER CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

A well-flown Vagabond or Deimos will positively annihilate an unsupported Ishtar. They have no answer to that kind of speed, DPS, and tank.

A good ONI or SFI pilot would probably kill a solo Ishtar as well.

Right, let's nerf the bandwidth of the premier tk2 drone carrier. Do you have any ideas that aren't completely absurd?

Before i get into this, i dont find the ishtar as an op ship. Its just good in its role and can easily be blapped down if its stuck outside of its optimal engagement range (just like every other ship)


Simple fix. Give it a penalty to sentry drone sig (boosted targeting systems fault or some crap for lore spin. Higher sig. Easier to lock and take damage. Mostly for the lock speed tho)

That way an adequate lr boat can quickly lock and start taking its drones off the field. That would be a small change to start with that wouldnt be too game breaking.

The Ishtar is not OP.

And get your dirty hands off of the Tracking Bonus on the Zealot!

I log into the Ishtar Online public forums and I'm greeted by "ishtar isn't OP" good start to the day! Anyway I'm sure it only needs a little nerf, not a gutting. Doctrines tend to magnify the natural strengths of a fit, the ship is probably not as OP as it might seem to you when you're being shot by a gang of them. But it still needs SOME nerf.