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On the rigging business, why more and more severe drawbacks? I don't get it.

Rigging ships has seen a big boost when the small and medium rigs were introduced, good stuff! The loophole was always there, so what, the important rigs always had drawbacks severe enough that I have skilled all my chars to lvl 4 to reduce them.

Personally I feel that introducing drawbacks is a bad idea, stop nerfing my fits pls. If you have too, please make sure that they reduce to nihil (that's close to nothing for... well you know who you are) by the time you've trained lvl 4. Making rigs more effective with increased skills makes more sense to me.

And in general, maybe, just maybe, you can start rewarding the true hard core nerds for training skills to lvl 5 by giving the rig and/or module a bit more bonus at lvl? Investing 14 days to get 2%, really..?

Oh, and while we are on the subject, a rig is a 'ship modification' and therefore should not be subject to stacking penalties. Ever. Never understood why a module is more effective than a rig anyway as rigs cannot be replaced without destroying them, modules can.

In short, Rigs break when you pull them out. Is good, it's a mod to the ship itself. But by tapping into the ship directly, the rig should be more effective than a 'bolt-on' module. Drawbacks are ok if the are comparable with the drawbacks of modules that do the same. Extra drawbacks, rather not. Better reward players for training than punish those that haven't.

But above all, do not break valid and effective builds/fits just because you wanted to make life easier for some corp fitters. Nothing says 'please leave this game' as a (un-)intended nerf.

Awesome, thanks for pointing it out, I doubt that I would have checked it again otherwise, I might actually train it past 2 now.


Just a thing on small things/tooltips, Can we have our Character Name back on the tooltip for the Character Sheet Please. Managing lots of toons with similar faces can be very difficult, its always good to check which toon you are actually on.

This is literally the best thing since sliced bread for bomber FCs. Or any FC. Just sit on grid in a cloaky prober and warp people around. The amount of awesome in this one change is beyond measure.

your right, people have wasted time to train rigs skills up to be able to use them on there ships,
13days to level 5 is a far bit of time,

only thing that will stop new players from putting T2 rigs on there ships is the isk

Uh, nope- I just ask around in corp/alliance until I find someone who has the rigging skills. Hell, once I was an Incursion and someone in my fleet rigged a Vindicator for me. It's laughably easy to get T2 rigs onto a ship without having the skills to do so, merely inconvenient if someone with the skills isn't around right that moment.

The rigging change is a very good change and has no fundamental effect on the ability of anyone to fly ships- either you have the skills, which means no change, or you don't and you don't need a middleman to rig your ship. Sure, it highlights that rigs are weird and broken and the skills need love, but that's a totally different issue.

Looks like a bunch of good changes to me Punkturis.

But you are a tease.

Slaz

CCP did say in one of there videos that it is more for new players, few update long time back,
which is good for the new player base to get in to playing eve,
Other MMO i play, even the CEO of MMO replied to forum post about upcoming update, which was nice to get response from the CEO,

the rigging we will have to wait and see, more dev feed would be nice, even dev video feed back would be nice,

have you considered what attributes to use as drawbacks for the various types of rigs? it's not so straightforward.

"Good for new players" doesn't mean that they should screw around with the time which existing players spent on the skills.

Also, make rigs fittable but nonfunctional without the needed skills: people who currently prepare ships for corps and/or events will still be able to do that, but those who don't have the necessary skills won't be able to use the rigs. This is called integrity.
If you don't have the skills - you can't use the modules. This already works for everything except rigs; why are they so special.

if rigs can be fitted with out skills T1,T2, CCP should make all modules in the game fittable with no skills as it the same thing,
might as well be able to fit T2 modules with out the need of skills, might as well give them all drawbacks.