Assembly Hall

Many “fix lowsec” proposals revolve around how to encourage more carebears into lowsec. I believe that's a mistake. The strong point of lowsec is the small gang, casual, PVP. And we need more PVPers to realize its potential.

Lowsec has many good points to attract the more casual PVPer: it's very accessible. The combination of no bubbles and sentry guns discouraging small ships on gates make it easy to move around lowsec. With so many stations, it's easy to take a break pretty much anywhere.

However, if you PVP for any amount of time in lowsec, you'll get cut out of highsec. For the dedicated outlaw, that's not a problem: alts and corp-level logistics make it a non-issue. But it closes most of lowsec from the more casual, single account player. The one who would enjoy lowsec the most.

So I suggest, “what happens in lowsec stays in lowsec”:

• Lowsec ship and structure kills can't bring your sec status below -2 (the point where travel restrictions kick in).
• To compensate, make anyone with negative sec status a valid target while in lowsec, with no GCC or sentry repercussions.
• Sec losses from highsec ganks remain untouched and so trigger travel restrictions.
• Optionally, allow pod kills in lowsec to lower your sec past -2. This lets people who want to be -10 for whatever reason become so.
• Optionally, rework killrights to either remove them, or make them only usable in lowsec.

People can now become part of a “lowsec fight club” where they can shoot each other freely, without losing their highsec access.

For the current lowsec residents, pirate and anti-pirate alike, this would bring more fun targets from highsec, in the form of “weekend pirates” and highsec alliances trying to control lowsec systems and resources. Both of those have given me many enjoyable fights, but both are unsustainable in the face of sec losses.

I'm not sure I can think of a negative side to the change.

Damn sir, that is a fine idea.

I would like this - there seems to be no upside to locking pirates into lowsec anyway. Podkills and the like, aye that would make you unable to go into highsec but ship kills...

Aggression and GCC to stay the same.

I don't get why lowsec PVPers are the only ones who are penalised for wanting to shoot other people...

I agree too. Especially since CCP are going through a phase of trimming out all the unnecessary time consuming fat, such as making POS logistics easier, surely it makes sense to make a change that eases logistics for lowsec PVPers? As Jack says, it's something that's really not a problem for dedicated lowsec dwellers, just an unnecessary annoyance, and for the casual player it's a considerable barrier to entry.

Supported

Its good to see a suggestion that gets away from the general "force the Carebears in" and "more targets willing or not" attitudes you usually see when talking about LowSec and have one that focuses on encouraging the willing player/corp to join the fun.

I like it a lot, supporting.

Definitely needs to have the podkills for -10 to appease the "tough guy" roleplayers though.

Also I'd consider keeping sentry gun mechanics as is but just taking out sec hits below -1.99, this way small ships would still be relatively safe to travel in even if you were -1.99-0 sec and part of the "club", and it would differentiate the -10 crowd as one more gameplay style (They can get more fights by being an appealing target due to no sentry aggro to their attacker, OTOH they are stuck with hisec travel restrictions)

I'm sure the frigate crowd would still congregate to low sec belts et al much, much more than they do already. Good fights for all.


(An alternative to this would be to finally bring CONCORD bribery in to the game)

Seems like a good idea. Most of lowsec is guys wanting to kill each other without having to deal with 0.0 stuff. Current game mechanics are nothing but an annoying obstacle to that.

This is true and while it won't make sentries less influential during fights, reducing GCC to 5 minutes rather than 15 might encourage more 'weekend pirates' to risk sentry fire over combat.

And if not, us lifetime pirates can show up to these standoffs and mess with both sides

This is something I want.

The security penalty is the reason I don't pvp in low sec.

I like it very much

SUPPORTED

I like it! this idea definitely has my support. It becomes annoying and too much trouble trying to fix your sec every time you get below -2 for high-sec travel abilities or keep it above -5 to remove KOS rights. Also what the hell is the idea w/a 15 min GCC timer or 10 min (standard) cynosural field timer. >.<