Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So far there has been some very good points made. I think aside from those who want Eve to remain comfortable and dull all of us can agree upon a few things:


1. Power Projection needs to be severely limited and localized.

2. JF's need to be limited as well so that markets and industry is local as well.

3. Sov itself needs to provide bonuses and incentives for local groups to fight and maintain it.

4. Supers need to be limited in range and useage.

5. Sov mechanics ie. Structure grinding is ******** and needs to be reworked into something non supercap based.

Just some final thoughts on this. I really think that the idea of regional conflict, growth etc is truly what Eve is meant to be. Throughout the lore based history of New Eden humanity has been forced to deal with harsh realities and conflict.

There needs to be a sense of accomplishment. A sense of risk and even fear. Eve needs to be this wide eyed universe again that captivated players since it's creation in 2003.

Eve is not an easy game. It's not meant to be. There is no "win" except in that journey we all experience be it good fights, good friends, stories we can tell that no other community can experience.

Eve needs to be unique again. Null needs to be this mystical harsh place whispered about fought with peril and riches beyond a capsuleers wildest dreams.

You want to be the top dog? You want to truly be masters of your own house? Building and creating? Conquering and pillaging? Prove it.

Prove to all of New Eden that you are just as valuable in a fleet of 10, 20, 50, 100 as you are in a tidi ridden blob of 1000. I for one am excited and even giddy at the prospects of Eve having new life breathed into it.

I guess the main focus now is how do we bring these ideas to CCP? Which members of the CSM and the more vocal voices of the community take this to CCP? This needs serious backing.

Alliance wide backing. Coalition based backing. Hopefully this gains real traction. I really hope it does.

Keeping the current blocs is still possible in that system. You just fly your caps into those regional gates and voilà, your massive capital force is now the biggest thing in that adjacent region. Continue down the cyno chain until you reach the region that is the destination. The opposing force is either crushed at the final destination or the in gate to the region where that bloc has entered. Sure it will slow them down a little, but let's be honest here. Unless that opposing force was as powerful as that bloc to begin with, they would not stand a chance anyways now or with that change.

To be fair and I understand your point the JF pretty much killed off Low Sec Piracy in the form of neutering trade routes that were vital supply chains to Null Sec systems.

Limiting it's usage would make local trade and industry more important especially mining fleets, ship production, etc. If you really want people to feel the burn limit supplies and especially the means in which to transport them.

Think in terms of the collapsing of the Eve Gate which gave birth to this universe. Cut off or at least limit an entities ability to import resources and you either live off the land or die.

And let's be honest here. Miners, Industrialists, all the people that build and create need to be worth their salt and will be if such changes are implemented.


I remember an entity from long ago called M0o who camped a vital trade route system called Mara, effectively forcing CCP themselves to step in and thus Concord was created!

Trade routes need to be vital again to spur conflict, increase risk, make logistics truly challenging and worth while. Plus a little ransom to a freighter full of goodies never hurt...

Lol wow. That is some Oklahoma level ignorance you have got going. Here, let me help you. m0o did not, in fact, defeat CCP.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/M0o#Developer_Interaction

That took me about forty seconds to look up by the way.

Bah I cocked up and redited the post. I thought originally that CCP tried to fight them several times before and had lost. Actually it's quite funny reading about them running away or being sent into other systems to break up the gatecamp.

Apologies on my Oklahoma level of ignorance. Sometimes my cousins just look that good : P

I hadn't played at the time, but their exploits were one of the reasons I joined. Personally, although I do realize that Jump Freighters took a bite out of lowsec traffic, if it hadn't been that, it would have been a bunch of other things eventually.

What's wrong with lowsec right now can't just be chalked up to one mechanic. Same thing with nullsec. People who gnash their teeth about Power Projection and drumbeat about taking it away are failing to see the bigger picture.

I also think alot of them ended up getting banned right? I still remember that video from Tank CEO bringing this mining thorax that was killed onto their comms and the guy flipping ****. Hilarious.

Random Thoughts to add. What I'd like to see and some stuff I think might help.

I would like EVE bigger. 7-10 times bigger, # of systems. (As to cost for CCP. Clearly this would not get used immediately and as more players come to the game they could then afford more nodes etc, etc.) the population of EVE is much bigger than it was 7-10 years ago and the size of EVE has not kept up. New games are coming that will make EVE feel tiny, but still might not to amount to much if they are split shard, not player controlled economy etc.

I think this could help the game grow. Not just by itself but in conjunction with changes that make Alliances be rewarded for for using more concentrated space and negatively impacted by controlling more than one region(ish).

There should be ways to add more open routes to deep null sec. Could be player built stargates. But not things requiring a password.

Passive income streams should not be supported. I would prefer not to see support added for renters to keep some room for hijinks to ensue if a corp became more competent in the future and wanted to break away. Drama has always been good for EVE the game if not specific groups or players.

Moon mining should become a active process requiring a capsuleer in space. (either in a ship(preferred) or actively at a POS). Or at least something like PI where it can scale and shrink and there are controls and smaller things to shoot(POCO).

I think part of dynamic true sec should be earning the ability to have mission agents spawn in you Station. Thus removing the bottleneck of belts and anomalies as ability to scale bottom up income from player activities. Still couldn't get more than a 1000 people or so in one system before lag became annoying but much better than whatever low number of people one average null system supports now. (Imagine all of the highest reported number of subs could be happy in null in 500 systems.)

Nullsec should be about choice for who to work for. Either Anti or Pro Empire or neither. Emprie NPC's should be added, as Anomaly and Belt spawns. Fighting the Pirates spawns. You have choice of shooting one the other or both. If your Corp/Alliance just picks one side to fight against, that is how you earn support for getting agents from the side your fighting for to spawn in your station. However in Nullsec there is no Empire there should be no change in any sec status for activities preformed there.

That's part of what Lowsec should be best at. Where you go to increase your sec status with the Empires fastest(or lose it by shooting those people and taking their stuff). Should also add low level pirate NPC to mission for in Lowsec. Lowsec is supposed to be the area of space contested by empire rules, both between each other, and there efforts to expand into NPC pirate space and Capsuleer Null space.

For Sov I like defensive scaling based on activity. It should be dynamic. The best defense is reserved for the one most active system of an Alliance. A home system, created based on activity of the members. Creating a tension between a larger Alliance and multiple smaller ones, that create room for hijinks and drama. Umm love me reading about EVE drama on the Alliance scale.

In line with that, though I support more tools for Alliances basically making them bigger corps. I do not support any ingame tools at all for Coalitions. In game support for larger groups has to stop at some point or we will just keep ending up with 2-3 big groups controlling everything no matter how many systems are added to the game.

Well unless EVE added a Million solar systems and spread that around so it would take a month of Real time travel to setup all the cynos and such. Then EVE would always be fractured. Why hasn't this happened yet?

Oh yeah, make Null sec be self sufficient. (Change T2 ships to only need the end components of one set of R64s.) A coordinated group would want 4 areas of the game spread out. Makes trade of R 64 a good practice across regions. Make everything else available through alchemy.

Let very advanced players start really inventing. Making T1 BPO's from scratch, well some kind of drop or resource. Let it work up from small items to larger. Have it be done in a POS.

Have implants be build able.

Oh and as before if you don't make EVE bigger you have to make it feel bigger. Nerf Combat power projection. Jump ranges on all combat ships and bridges. Might be ok to leave Black Ops alone for now. Something with Jump Frieghters.


Did I miss anything? Other than agreeing with someone else's point of view.

Or we could do this the smart way and seek to facilitate cooperation within an area for groups that may desire it, for example the PvP & industrial corp teaming up together, and seek to mitigate territorial sprawl (or whatever...) in other ways.

This goes for any form & scale of "utilization matters", really.

I would rather Hack via ship, Deus Ex WiS, or Space Marines (any or all of the above) a TCU to [temporarily] control or disable local along with the possibility of storms.

Aside from that one nitpick, This is all stuff I was hoping would be in eve way back when I first got into it. Let people use other peoples stuff against them, and let no one escape the wrath of Murphy.