Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Reached that conclusion when I made my suggestion about changing the teleportation mechanics (power projection) a while back. It needed a cap and system that ignores a players wallet and group they belong to.

One of the main reasons why some hated it. There was no feasible way to buy your way around it.

I'm just happy to see someone else beat on the drum. This topic we are talking about affects almost every aspect of the game. It is important real changes start happening real soon.

Yeah isk insn't a issue. I havnt made isk on a personal level since like 2009. My alliance made 11 trillion in the past 16 months. A alliance of 2000 people.

Content will be created.

Ops will be posted. Ships will be formed. The larger entity will prove the victor. Fleets will redock after sitting around for 20 minutes and stood down. Blue balls will be had. The cycle of null shall continue.

After reading alot of good ideas and the usual goon-tears i'd like to trow in my 2 cents:

It's been said already, but i find it very important that you can only maintain SOV by acutally living in that system.

By living i mean not just being in system, docked 24/7 with alts, but actually mining/ratting/plexing/PI/building and so on...
The more ppl live there the better the system gets, also dynamic true-sec...

SOV should be disrubtable by a small scale fleet to a certain extend and structures/stations should be hackable.
Imagin if you manage to hack the docking permissions on a station for a short amount of time... hrhrhrhr :D
So the residents either need to fight back or lose something valuable to said fleet.

I'd also like to add, my ideas on moon mining:

Moon Mining should be similar to PI:

1. Minerals
Every moon has more then just up to 3 minerals, maybe up to 5-6 like a planet does.
The rarity determins how much of what there is. Maybe some mineral-slots are fixed, 1-2 can be random, once depleted.
For example a moon has Silicates, Hydrocarbons and Cobalt-, Tungsten- and Neodymium-Veins.
Similar to roids, like ever 3 days they respawn, with a fixed amount of units per vein, that can add up if the vein is not getting mined.
They can also deplete, and shift location over time on the moon.

2. The Harvester
Only one per POS.
The harvester needs adjustment... every 1-2 days maybe, so you need to live close to your POSes, or bind the effectivnes to SOV level/activity.
Like Strip Miners they should use crystals for the metals.
The yield scales. The rarer the mineral, the harder it should be to mine.
The harvester should be outside the shield like someone already suggested to create content.

3. Rorqual
With the moon minerals shifting moons, you can find a r64 vein on an empty moon.
Lets give the Rorqual Capital Moon Miners. In order to use them it fould need to siege up, but should also be able to "ninja" a valuable vein in a reasonable amount of time, while still beeing in danger if doing so.
Imagin fancy graphics mining a moon or stealing the veins from an unarmed mining POS :]

4. Miners
"Everything is made of stardust."
There should be a chance, that once the roids spawn every DT, there should be new roids added to a belt that contain x amount of x moon mineral.
Maybe the same type of minerals that currently can be found in the moons orbiting the same planet as the belts. Which makes some belt more interesting, or can give hints if a good vein has appeard on a moon.

Ok. Sure if it's a priority and they form up and fly a big fleet taking their time and effort to defend this logistics run, that's fine, it should be hard to deal with.

I'm not sure what you're point is?

The changes are making it so that this cannot happen on a daily basis. The changes are making it so that if you want to do huge large scale logistical/strategic movements, you have to put a LOT more effort, and sacrifice strategic advantages elsewhere.

Plus, I'm not sure how big you think the "major powers" will be. The point is that they will be small, and they won't be able to move a huge BS fleet or super cap fleet from a few regions over on a whim. If they do, then the third parties in the area where the fleet was moved from can go wreck havoc. The changes make it so that no longer is there no strategic downside to moving your fleet around (since you currently can just titan bridge/jump it back wherever whenever you want), and instead you have to deal with very realistic concerns that you're leaving a part of your space undefended for a significant (read: a couple hours) amount of time.

AND THAT'S ASSUMING that your alliance members are even willing to fly a region over, 30 jumps in a battleship fleet to escort your allies freighters. This is like max boring dude, nobody is going to do it. And if they do, whatever, that's fine, they'll end up with 6-7 towers in their home region getting reinforced by some scrub 3rd party with 4 dreads because now that 3rd party doesn't have to worry about getting dropped on by anybody, because the dudes left their home with little or no defense, and cannot possibly get back in under 30 minutes.

@ Ivory

Yes, but the point is that it isn't so easy to get so much of a coalitions combat capability on field so quickly. Increasing the effort getting accross the universe is the kind of cost that would be effective at thinning out fleets so smaller entities can be effective. The risk thing works both ways too, if the major power block sends a large amount of its combat capability to protect a supply line that will leave other areas exposed and vulnerable to damage.

I seriously cannot see if we're making it 'Harder for larger entities to move' how smaller are going to have any easier of a time. Theyre still bound by the same rules and restrictions. Any 'power bloc' will have the ability to move things en-masse when required. And with the current way Sov works, your second point is moot. The amount of time it takes for you to actually damage sov outside of maybe reffing a tower or incapping a structure is silly. It's all minor, and nothing major like reffing a station or ihub is an instantaneous thing. If it were, holding Sov would be arguably pointless, and it would take nothing to headshot a primary system.

If anything, this makes it WORSE for smaller entities. So now they've committed to attacking something, and then end up failing. How are they going to properly handle a retreat / pull out when the larger one can just camp them into a region of space, or just more easily pick off their supply lines?

Except this won't make force projection impossible.....at all.

Force projection requires precisely two things:
1) Having force (i.e. numbers)
2) Having the will to project that force (i.e. telling grunts to deploy to region x)

You want to nerf Jumping/Bridging? Here's how coalitions will adapt:

Jump/death clone to lowsec staging system nearest to deployment area. Lowsec logistics with the proposed changes are still largely trivial, so fleet ships will be staged in the low sec systems most convenient for deployment. Once strat op is done, jump/death clone back to home region.

Example: CFC deployment to catch: Deathclone from VFK to Khanid/Nourbal, pickup fleetship, do strat op in catch, deathclone back to VFK.

A jump range nerf doesn't matter when you can move 2000 warm bodies across the map in an instant.

Great you are around for a few timers. You aren't across the universe for months on end. Power Projection nerfed. You can effect a few battles with your deathcloning but you cannot deploy and stay there. The hilarious thing would be to let you all deathclone buy your ships travel there blueball the timer let you start traveiing back to lowsec and pipebomb you. I mean because you have to take gates. Or just drag bubble you. I would punish you and make the entire adventure a miserable trip. Do that a few times and you will get less and less to ~Deathclone and go through all that trouble to effect a single fight. Id also tell Pizza or whoever that hey " Goons just deathcloned to the south they will be gone for hours go mess stuff up in there empty house".