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GM Response On Bumping

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Puppy Eating
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#381 - 2014-07-07 22:42:26 UTC
Gui Tiaowu wrote:
Puppy Eating wrote:
Meh, just remove ship-ship collisions, save the server CPU time.

It's not like we are really piloting the ships anyway.

I was so disappointed when I found my joystick was useless for EVE when I first tried it.


You might be in the wrong forum channel.

We were discussing how CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online.

But we are really piloting our ships.. just not with a joystick.


That's Navigation, not direct Piloting, Wing Commander/Allegiance style.

I, for one, wouldn't mind high-sec being safe from greifing by other players, but without the massive profits/rewards available in low/null. I ain't making enough to PLEX my time, but I have the cash to pay for an ongoing sub.

Some days I just want to sit back after work, and do a little low stress space-trucking on my one account; trading time-reward vs. risk-reward. If CCP doesn't provide that opportunity, then after my 1 month 'come back please!' special is over, I might not be renewing, maybe I'll play some EQ, or FF instead. (except I'm a spaceship kinda guy, down to the massive pile of 80's spaceship lego. ("SPACESHIP!"))
Gui Tiaowu
Dolle Pirates
#382 - 2014-07-07 22:45:49 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
Gui Tiaowu wrote:

We were discussing how I think CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online.


I fixed for you.


Oh no. Everyone in the discussion had agreed that this was the case, and even wanted to equate ALL PvP to Bullying.

I don't think all PvP is bullying, but that was yet another rationalization for the bullying behavior by some bullies.

CCP does indeed enable and encourage bullying behavior in EVE Online.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#383 - 2014-07-07 22:48:14 UTC
Kek.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Gui Tiaowu
Dolle Pirates
#384 - 2014-07-07 22:51:11 UTC
Puppy Eating wrote:
Gui Tiaowu wrote:
Puppy Eating wrote:
Meh, just remove ship-ship collisions, save the server CPU time.

It's not like we are really piloting the ships anyway.

I was so disappointed when I found my joystick was useless for EVE when I first tried it.


You might be in the wrong forum channel.

We were discussing how CCP enables and encourages bullying in EVE Online.

But we are really piloting our ships.. just not with a joystick.


That's Navigation, not direct Piloting, Wing Commander/Allegiance style.

I, for one, wouldn't mind high-sec being safe from greifing by other players, but without the massive profits/rewards available in low/null. I ain't making enough to PLEX my time, but I have the cash to pay for an ongoing sub.

Some days I just want to sit back after work, and do a little low stress space-trucking on my one account; trading time-reward vs. risk-reward. If CCP doesn't provide that opportunity, then after my 1 month 'come back please!' special is over, I might not be renewing, maybe I'll play some EQ, or FF instead. (except I'm a spaceship kinda guy, down to the massive pile of 80's spaceship lego. ("SPACESHIP!"))


It's all good. There's nothing wrong with being a CareBear, even some of the time.

Bullies simply demonize the CareBears to justify their bullying.

There is plenty opportunity for the most torrid PvP in EVE, and you don't have to look far. There is plenty PvP even in hisec, without bullying behavior. In fact there are many Corps that do nothing but PvP.

The truth is, the more elaborate the justification they have to make, the more likely they are involved in bullying and griefing behavior.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#385 - 2014-07-07 23:49:23 UTC
Gui Tiaowu, HTFU. That is all.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Gui Tiaowu
Dolle Pirates
#386 - 2014-07-08 00:31:42 UTC
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#387 - 2014-07-08 00:39:05 UTC
Awgh, I can't view youtube video's right now.. but that pirate face.. you just had to use the pirate face! :sigh: Cool

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Elmo Perry
Doomheim
#388 - 2014-07-11 21:30:48 UTC
Pell Helix is as legit as they ***.
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#389 - 2014-07-21 23:48:07 UTC
gui you are ugly and your opinions are terrible

there, was i bullying? or was i expressing an opinion?

it's not bullying if it's something you choose to do. if you choose to play a game, you choose to play by the rules (or lack thereof). but never mind me, keep circlejerking in your little piles of highsec pity and keep throwing real money at CCP (thereby justifying what you're trying to complain about, that a sandbox that doesn't live by your rules is a bad sandbox).

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#390 - 2014-07-22 00:36:42 UTC
Just as this thread is dead for a few weeks someone revives it lol
13 nonames
Jumpbridg
#391 - 2014-07-23 11:01:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Kimo Khan wrote:
If said bumper is part of a gang which then proceed to gank me, why do I not get killrights on the bumper who prevented warp without using a scrambler and thus avoided invoking concord?


Because bumping is not, and never has been a flaggable action, more for practical means than anything else. Jita 4-4 undock with flaggable bumping would become a scrapyard FFA.


in all honesty most of the stations in eve need there docking and undocking range fixed

and bunping itself should be consider harassment since a lot of people have been know to use it without the intent to kill, i would like to see a collision mechanics and input a "timer" for entering exiting warp or station that you don't take damage but make it so you take damage upon in packed.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#392 - 2014-07-23 13:12:10 UTC
13 nonames wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Kimo Khan wrote:
If said bumper is part of a gang which then proceed to gank me, why do I not get killrights on the bumper who prevented warp without using a scrambler and thus avoided invoking concord?


Because bumping is not, and never has been a flaggable action, more for practical means than anything else. Jita 4-4 undock with flaggable bumping would become a scrapyard FFA.


in all honesty most of the stations in eve need there docking and undocking range fixed

and bunping itself should be consider harassment since a lot of people have been know to use it without the intent to kill, i would like to see a collision mechanics and input a "timer" for entering exiting warp or station that you don't take damage but make it so you take damage upon in packed.

So make it impossible to catch targets outside of a station by modifying the docking range... Umm no stop being lazy and make an insta undock. .

Bumping harassment because you think you know their intent? Really? This isn't WoW.

This being said I dislike bumping all together as a game mechanic and think it should be removed.
Jessie JoeCarr
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
#393 - 2014-07-23 18:39:23 UTC
Easy solution would just be to increase mass of mining barges or enable them to be 'anchored' to asteroids. So either other ships ramming them only results in them moving a few m or the 'roid they're attached to has to be mined out from under them, someone whose not AFK could then attach to the next asteroid but AFK miners are then free to be bumped away.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#394 - 2014-08-01 16:01:39 UTC
Jessie JoeCarr wrote:
Easy solution would just be to increase mass of mining barges or enable them to be 'anchored' to asteroids.


The word "solution" implies the existance of a problem, but this isn't the case with bumping. I'd be fine with an anchoring ability as long as it was a highslot module and came with a penalty to mining yield.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#395 - 2014-08-01 16:40:18 UTC
IIshira wrote:
This being said I dislike bumping all together as a game mechanic and think it should be removed.


Two physical things able to non-interactively pass through each other in "normal" (non-warp) movement doesn't make real-world sense. EVE portrays some liberties with and variances to real-world physics, of course, but there shouldn't be anything as completely bogus to reality as two ships that *look* physical but are really *ghosts* that pass through each other.

If you want what you are talking about, why don't you just petition CCP to change the name of the game to "Ghost Ships In Space" and *then* change the mechanics of ship interaction to suit that game name?

Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#396 - 2014-08-29 15:14:04 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
How about bringing mining exhumer and barge HP's down to a sensible level? That way we can forget about this stupid bumping and go back to sucide ganking miners.

Each patch makes this game more like WOW in space but don't worry CCP every step you take away from PVP allows room for another game to fill the void. I hope you are happy when you are left with only high sec bears as they provide zero to the community, fan fest, 3rd party, video content, Dust 315 content. You pandered to the scrubs of eve with the HP buff and it'll catch up with you when the PVP comunity protests at your up coming hauler buff and high sec greif nerf.

CCP this will bite you in the ass real soon, don't even think it's not going to.

I think all of null and low should declare peace for 1 month this summer and declare an unholy war against all of high sec. Huge ganking partys targetting infamous 1+ year pluss npc corp chars, massive market manipulations, Huge PLEX crashes/ Spikes, swamp all hi sec indy slots with 3 month q's.



Lol this is laughable.

Highsec makes up 80% of the Subscriber base. Look at CCP's latest chart in the dev area thing. The entirety of nullsec could quit the game and EvE would be just fine. Maybe better in a lot of ways.

Means New people would go out to 0.0 and claim SOV since there would not be anymore Super Alliances. It would be Glorious chaos once more.
Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#397 - 2014-08-29 15:26:24 UTC
I have an Idea, why don't you Helima Code people/Cult/whatever you are....

Do something about ISboxing 40 man fleets. I mean really, why are you focusing on single miners when these guys are the real threat and around?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#398 - 2014-08-29 22:09:49 UTC
I have no problem with bumping mining barges who are afk to prevent them from mining. People should be at the keyboard to reposition their ship and press F1 again. What does trouble me is bumping ships off the gate so they cannot align, to facilitate multiple waves of gankers killing them, all with no Concord response. This is clearly not a reasonable game mechanic, and I suggest that any gank attempt should make bumping ineffective for 60 seconds against the victim. This will allow non-AFK players enough time to warp off and avoid multiple waves of the exact same gankers blowing up their ship without appropriate Concord intervention.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#399 - 2014-08-30 01:52:18 UTC
**** like bumping orcas for 15-30 minutes straight for multiple waves of gank characters is why this game is dying.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#400 - 2014-08-30 02:06:31 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
**** like bumping orcas for 15-30 minutes straight for multiple waves of gank characters is why this game is dying.



The game isn't dying(that's just a fallacy that dishonest people use to campaign for bad change), and those people should bring web alts and use scouts.

Hint, if your scout sees two Machariels on a gate, don't jump through it.

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