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Sexualized female characters isn't sexist!

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Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#61 - 2014-07-06 22:19:28 UTC
Don't underestimate the instigatory (it ought to be a word) value of huge tracts of land.

Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead.
Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#62 - 2014-07-07 17:34:18 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
I'm too sexy for my Character!


for a moment tehre I thought you were going to say "i'm too sexy for my cow"
Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#63 - 2014-07-07 17:44:31 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Feminists lack ambition. Before you flame away .. think about it... they want equality with men. The same men that have been perpetuating a world view that they find to be horrible. So to attain equality with something as disgusting as that... what good has been achieved?

They lack ambition, I tell you.



I feel most self-proclaimed-feminists just want equality where it brings them an advantage. That sounds backwards i guess, but imagine a guy taking a "feminist" out to diner. He then proceeds to split the check and expect her to pay for what she had. Now is she going to say 'Thank you for treating me as an equal" or is she going to rant and expect him to pay for her food?


Don't get me wrong, I'm all fer gender equality when it comes down to wages and such, but when it comes down to holding the door for a lady and such, I'm a chauvenistic pig.
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-07-14 21:29:45 UTC
Alotta Baggage wrote:
Remember... sexism!


have you ever actually met a feminist
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-07-14 21:37:47 UTC
Mudkest wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm all fer gender equality when it comes down to wages and such, but when it comes down to holding the door for a lady and such, I'm a chauvenistic pig.

Of course you are

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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-07-15 02:46:05 UTC
Cynter DeVries wrote:
Don't underestimate the instigatory (it ought to be a word) value of huge tracts of land.

Seconded.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-07-15 11:05:16 UTC
Mudkest wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm all fer gender equality when it comes down to wages and such, but when it comes down to holding the door for a lady and such, I'm a chauvenistic pig.
The holding the door thing is just something we clever pervs made up so we could smell her hair and stare at her heinie.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-07-15 11:48:57 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
WTB endgame Banana hammock armor.



Also: why is chest hair a bad thing on avatars? You just don't see much righteous man fuzz in gaming.

blame Boy George

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Jeremy Fischer1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-07-16 11:55:50 UTC
Who cares.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2014-07-16 12:12:37 UTC
Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:
Who cares.

people made this thread, so.... the OP at least?

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Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-07-16 12:59:32 UTC
Jeremy Fischer1 wrote:
Who cares.

women make up half of the population
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2014-07-16 19:11:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Mudkest wrote:
I feel most self-proclaimed-feminists just want equality where it brings them an advantage. That sounds backwards i guess, but imagine a guy taking a "feminist" out to diner. He then proceeds to split the check and expect her to pay for what she had. Now is she going to say 'Thank you for treating me as an equal" or is she going to rant and expect him to pay for her food?


Don't get me wrong, I'm all fer gender equality when it comes down to wages and such, but when it comes down to holding the door for a lady and such, I'm a chauvenistic pig.
You'd be wrong about that almost every time. A woman who is a feminist (not all feminists are women, remember) would usually prefer to be treated as if she is capable of independence even if she makes a lot less money than you do. Exceptions are when:
a.) you invited her to dinner, which gives the impression you'll be paying
b.) she doesn't make enough to afford eating there

Some feminist women get irritated by chivalry (NOT the same as chauvanism), especially in situations where the woman wasn't significantly disadvantaged, such as a man holding a door open for her when she's clearly capable of opening it easily by herself, paying for her dinner when she invited and makes more than the man, or something else along those lines. A lot of women, especially feminists, like to be treated as strong, capable individuals.

I hold the door open for people who look like they'll have a harder time at it than me, I try to pay for dinner when I invite, and if I can't pay both sides of the meal I let the person know beforehand. When I am invited to a meal, I never ask how the bill will be split but I bring funds just in case, though I have the expectation that the other person will accept the majority or all of the bill. I treat both sexes equally, though I am more likely to avoid hitting a woman in self defense not on the basis of their sex but on the basis of them being less likely to be a threat or able to defend themselves. Of course what I really determine is the threat level and their capabilities in the fight, regardless of sex. I treat women equally in pretty much every other venue.

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Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-07-16 19:23:59 UTC
Meh, I hold doors open for all kinds of people all the time when I happen to go through said door before them, or sometimes when we arrive almost at the same time and I let them go first.

Are you serious that some people may be offended by that? o.o

I agree about dinner, though: The one who invites is usually expected to pay, at least in my opinion. Not worth fighting over, though ^-^
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-07-16 20:14:02 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
You'd be wrong about that almost every time. A woman who is a feminist (not all feminists are women, remember) would usually prefer to be treated as if she is capable of independence even if she makes a lot less money than you do. Exceptions are when:
a.) you invited her to dinner, which gives the impression you'll be paying
b.) she doesn't make enough to afford eating there

Some feminist women get irritated by chivalry (NOT the same as chauvanism), especially in situations where the woman wasn't significantly disadvantaged, such as a man holding a door open for her when she's clearly capable of opening it easily by herself, paying for her dinner when she invited and makes more than the man, or something else along those lines. A lot of women, especially feminists, like to be treated as strong, capable individuals.

I hold the door open for people who look like they'll have a harder time at it than me, I try to pay for dinner when I invite, and if I can't pay both sides of the meal I let the person know beforehand. When I am invited to a meal, I never ask how the bill will be split but I bring funds just in case, though I have the expectation that the other person will accept the majority or all of the bill. I treat both sexes equally, though I am more likely to avoid hitting a woman in self defense not on the basis of their sex but on the basis of them being less likely to be a threat or able to defend themselves. Of course what I really determine is the threat level and their capabilities in the fight, regardless of sex. I treat women equally in pretty much every other venue.

this is generally an a+ post, but the bit about hitting or not women in fights reminded me how weird it is that one of the most common retorts anti-feminist guys have against "women just want equality" is "oh, so does that mean i get to hit women"? like, why do these guys want to hit women so much anyway

anyway the answer is that estrogen generally leads to less aggression/muscle tone/upper body strength, and you shouldn't be hitting people that are weaker than you even if you're not a violent misogynist
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-07-17 01:09:23 UTC
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:
Meh, I hold doors open for all kinds of people all the time when I happen to go through said door before them, or sometimes when we arrive almost at the same time and I let them go first.

Are you serious that some people may be offended by that? o.o
I've not really seen it much but I hear about it from time to time. It is rare for anyone to be openly offended but some women are quietly offended by having men hold doors open for them, especially in situations where they should be doing the favor.

Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
anyway the answer is that estrogen generally leads to less aggression/muscle tone/upper body strength, and you shouldn't be hitting people that are weaker than you even if you're not a violent misogynist
I'm not likely to hit people who are a bit stronger than me. I just am not much of a hitter. But in the right situation I'll resort to the right action.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-07-17 01:14:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathaniel Raynaud
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I'm not likely to hit people who are a bit stronger than me. I just am not much of a hitter. But in the right situation I'll resort to the right action.

ah, geez, to clarify; i didn't mean my post to be some sort of criticism of you specifically. "you" was just addressing the guys wondering about why they couldn't hit women. you specifically can continue to hit or not hit people at your own discretion
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-07-17 01:35:44 UTC
I just hate it when people try to make it into a binary case: men can be hit and women cannot. There are many reasons to avoid hitting men, and sometimes women are basically asking for it.

One thing I like to say to anyone who thinks they are treating people equally: of course there will be minor differences in the way you treat different groups of people, but you have to ask yourself if those differences have a reason other than because of the group they are in. If not, you are acting with prejudice, and are not treating them equally.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-07-17 03:18:50 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-u5WLJ9Yk4

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-07-17 04:56:43 UTC
Ah, Britney Spears, one of my favorite pop stars. Some would say she is an icon of masculist sexism, but I believe she would take advantage of her freedom to disagree.

My favorite Britney Spears song: 3

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-07-17 09:09:54 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Ah, Britney Spears, one of my favorite pop stars. Some would say she is an icon of masculist sexism, but I believe she would take advantage of her freedom to disagree.

My favorite Britney Spears song: 3
Britney's probably the best at what she does.

If a songwriter dares to approach her with lyrics containing less then 100 L's, she'll wack him in the head with her mic.

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