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has nullsec finally hit the end?
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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#61 - 2014-07-01 22:30:00 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Who do you think ignited the last 2 Delve and Fountain Wars? Were you not entertained?
I was entertained when you moved to Innia. But otherwise, no, not really.

Things are slower these days. We miss you and your angry turtle ascii art in local.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#62 - 2014-07-01 23:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
I think CCP is fully aware of how unsustainable the current sov null mechanics are, hence the new stargates, world mechanics etc that Seagull keeps talking about. In the meantime, come play in lowsec.

I expect to start hearing noises about sov revamp in the next six months. I bet there will be some very upset nullbears.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Deebo Singleton
#63 - 2014-07-02 00:27:12 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Who do you think ignited the last 2 Delve and Fountain Wars? Were you not entertained?
I was entertained when you moved to Innia. But otherwise, no, not really.

Things are slower these days. We miss you and your angry turtle ascii art in local.


Goin to plusone this as god's truth. Respect for TEST and their autism-train-of-doom, but they were a flash in the content pan. Not enough staying power. I like the way fweddit is heading though, they could be a hoot in the near future.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2014-07-02 02:55:57 UTC
Deebo Singleton wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Who do you think ignited the last 2 Delve and Fountain Wars? Were you not entertained?
I was entertained when you moved to Innia. But otherwise, no, not really.

Things are slower these days. We miss you and your angry turtle ascii art in local.


Goin to plusone this as god's truth. Respect for TEST and their autism-train-of-doom, but they were a flash in the content pan. Not enough staying power. I like the way fweddit is heading though, they could be a hoot in the near future.


That is sort of the problem I was referring to. TEST basically went "**** these blues lets start some ****", which is a decision a lot of people will empathize with, and their reward was going out in a blaze of content before losing all their ability to generate content or generally look after their own playerbase. They were homeless for months and are now just starting to reestablish themselves as NC. pets.
Deebo Singleton
#65 - 2014-07-02 03:15:53 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
starting to reestablish themselves as NC. pets.


Beginning to get the feeling I missed a good, or terrible, kugu thread.
Lucaz Verona
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2014-07-02 12:19:53 UTC
All I know is I went to null (I'm two weeks old) because I got bored of lowsec, tried to pick a fight, got blobbed and found in local

"Lucaz Verona now red?"

I thought to myself, opps I've made a big enemy... but then I thought, nice, more people to shoot at.

Either way, the above quote of a local is quite sad...
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-07-02 23:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaric Faelen
Let's not distort reality when it comes to the TEST fail-cascade and subsequent Fountain War.
TEST did just that- fail miserably under the regime of the time. It wasn't some statement on sov null or PvP- they burned in. It was an obvious outcome, and one that attracted me directly to my current alliance- which once claimed to be the only alliance with membership in both HBC and CFC, and I knew that wouldn't last. So I went where I knew the war would be. I wasn't disappointed and within a couple months all heck broke loose in Fountain.

It's been long said that HERO was essentially TEST forcing other people to regain sov for them so they could get out of FW low sec. Dupe a bunch of 'we don't want sov, just good fights' people into....fighting over sov and taking space. Whether you subscribe to that or not, TEST certainly didn't get get chased out of null sec last year because they meant for it to happen.

I liked fighting with, then against, my TEST-bros as much as the next pilot. But they were derailed by poor leadership obsessed with drama. Their fall from sov null was sadly common place.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-07-03 03:22:43 UTC
Deebo Singleton wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
starting to reestablish themselves as NC. pets.


Beginning to get the feeling I missed a good, or terrible, kugu thread.


You don't need to read Kugu. Just look at who formed HERO and what has happened to them since. Nexus Fleet was an outright N3 member, Spaceship Samurai was an affiliate, and TEST had recently been made homeless and hounded into faction warfare by the CFC. The only people in that picture who didn't have any political enmity towards us was BNI themselves. Now HERO owns space with the permission of N3, ground out with their assistance, but only in the places that N3 allowed.

N3 knows they need a meatshield of warm bodies to stuff into subcapitals for the next war against us, but with TEST having been greatly diminished from their 12,000 man days there wasn't really anyone with the numbers left who wasn't already on our side of the fence...so they decided to make a new meatshield. I can't really hold the decision against them, though I do grieve for the soul of BNI.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#69 - 2014-07-07 01:15:48 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
As alluring as it is to go "**** diplomacy" and burn down everything for its own sake, the end result is that you lose everything to become content for other people.

See: TEST



This is true. Although I don't think TEST ever was in a position of power where they could decide to make null sec exciting.


Who do you think ignited the last 2 Delve and Fountain Wars? Were you not entertained?



TEST did what they could with what they had. But no, TEST really didn't have a position of power to make null exciting. As was mentioned before BOB held that position of power and made null exciting. Now the players who have the power are too worried about losing it to do anything interesting.


Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#70 - 2014-07-07 01:17:05 UTC



Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Make nullsec occupancy an active pastime that requires people to log in as per FW, rather than the passive nonsense it is now. Winning should require more than a couple of mass logins per month.



I agree with what you want.

But it may be that fw is becoming more like null sec rather than the other way around.


You have continually demonstrated that you know little to nothing about faction war at any point over the last 2 years, and even less about dull sec if you see FW becoming like it.

I hope that alleviate some of your concerns.


FW occupancy is becoming more about who can maintain a greater numbers in a single system for a longer time, rather than fighting which spans over several systems at once.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#71 - 2014-07-07 02:23:22 UTC
Cearain wrote:



Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Make nullsec occupancy an active pastime that requires people to log in as per FW, rather than the passive nonsense it is now. Winning should require more than a couple of mass logins per month.



I agree with what you want.

But it may be that fw is becoming more like null sec rather than the other way around.


You have continually demonstrated that you know little to nothing about faction war at any point over the last 2 years, and even less about dull sec if you see FW becoming like it.

I hope that alleviate some of your concerns.


FW occupancy is becoming more about who can maintain a greater numbers in a single system for a longer time, rather than fighting which spans over several systems at once.


There is literally no convergence between nullsec and faction war game play styles and strategies. Feel free to keep using your random word sentence compiler to make forum posts though, it does have a certain charm.
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#72 - 2014-07-07 04:51:33 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:


I hate to say it but EVE is dead or slowly dying. CCP just laid off 46 employees, this year has experienced a big decline in membership (see CSM voter turnout article), most news sites like TMC barely write anything exciting about EVE since there is nothing exciting to cover. Even Jesters blog shut down since there is nothing to write about. #EveisKaput What?


This is the saddest line of text that I have read on these forums. I have great respect for Deen and the incite that he brings to the game.

Blasters for life

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#73 - 2014-07-07 06:11:23 UTC
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:


I hate to say it but EVE is dead or slowly dying. CCP just laid off 46 employees, this year has experienced a big decline in membership (see CSM voter turnout article), most news sites like TMC barely write anything exciting about EVE since there is nothing exciting to cover. Even Jesters blog shut down since there is nothing to write about. #EveisKaput What?


This is the saddest line of text that I have read on these forums. I have great respect for Deen and the incite that he brings to the game.


Deens an ego maniac that won 3 fights and thinks hes now god of eve, tarnishing the class that JUSTK have earned for themselves by doing what needed to be done rather than what was easy.

CCP layed off a bunch of people working on world of darkness since they missed the vampire fad by half a decade or more. Now if only they lay off all the people working on dust and legion they might be able to focus on EVE proper.

One can only hope.
Arla Sarain
#74 - 2014-07-07 11:25:23 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:




CCP layed off a bunch of people working on world of darkness since they missed the vampire fad by half a decade or more. Now if only they lay off all the people working on dust and legion they might be able to focus on EVE proper.

One can only hope.

Not that by working on DUST, LEGION or even Valkyrie are they missing any sort of fad by any count of decades.



Everyone constantly reassures someone on the forums that EVE is a sandbox.

Well, maybe a Null->Highsec war is what this game needs.

I fully welcome it.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#75 - 2014-07-07 11:33:50 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:




CCP layed off a bunch of people working on world of darkness since they missed the vampire fad by half a decade or more. Now if only they lay off all the people working on dust and legion they might be able to focus on EVE proper.

One can only hope.

Not that by working on DUST, LEGION or even Valkyrie are they missing any sort of fad by any count of decades.



Everyone constantly reassures someone on the forums that EVE is a sandbox.

Well, maybe a Null->Highsec war is what this game needs.

I fully welcome it.


Maybe they should remove stations from the game completely. Dock-Up GodMode gets boring. Wormholers have exciting lives, the lack of stargates is the only thing i dislike.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#76 - 2014-07-07 14:25:01 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:



Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Make nullsec occupancy an active pastime that requires people to log in as per FW, rather than the passive nonsense it is now. Winning should require more than a couple of mass logins per month.



I agree with what you want.

But it may be that fw is becoming more like null sec rather than the other way around.


You have continually demonstrated that you know little to nothing about faction war at any point over the last 2 years, and even less about dull sec if you see FW becoming like it.

I hope that alleviate some of your concerns.


FW occupancy is becoming more about who can maintain a greater numbers in a single system for a longer time, rather than fighting which spans over several systems at once.


There is literally no convergence between nullsec and faction war game play styles and strategies. Feel free to keep using your random word sentence compiler to make forum posts though, it does have a certain charm.


Crosi

You are constantly on these forums with your attacks on people that contain no substance. What is it that you are trying to accomplish? Are you just trying to let people know who you dislike? Do you really think anyone cares?

I would also point out that like sov null sec the pvp in faction war has been becoming more and more centered in just a few systems instead of being spread out throughout the regions.

So that is 2 ways that fw is becoming more like sov null sec.


Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815