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How to mine with a bullseye on your back

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-07-05 19:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Oraac Ensor wrote:
It is if you want it to be.


It's true, some people enjoy playing by themselves. I think it's safe to say this is the minority of players, however. I'm actually quite introverted and I probably spend 85% of my time "solo pvping", but being part of an active corp still vastly increases my enjoyment. It's even more important when you're first trying to climb the learning curve. Sure it can be done with some (a lot) of googling, but it's much easier and faster to learn from others.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-05 19:43:51 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
This game isn't a solo game.

Cara Forelli wrote:
However, this game was not meant to be played alone.

It is if you want it to be.


Well, I agree with Oraac vs Cara, you can play alone.

However Maeltstome has a point, it's not a solo game, no matter what you do, as soon as you log in, you are "playing" with others, if you want it or not.

Depends on your definition of "solo".


My definition of solo is totally alone, without any interaction or what so ever with other people.

Hell, buying something from the market already means it isn't solo anymore as you used another player to aquire what you bought.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-07-05 20:47:55 UTC
Yeah just saw the dude got popped by war targets and not his own corp mates.

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Oraac Ensor
#24 - 2014-07-06 00:02:10 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
It is if you want it to be.


It's true, some people enjoy playing by themselves. I think it's safe to say this is the minority of players, however.

Not according to CCP Rise at this year's Fanfest or the survey conducted by CCP a couple of years ago.

J'Poll wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Depends on your definition of "solo".


My definition of solo is totally alone, without any interaction or what so ever with other people.

Which is all but impossible in EVE, rendering the term "solo" totally irrelevant.

My definition is not in a player corp or any other sort of semi-permanent relationship with other players.

As Maeltstome and Cara both suggest being in a corp as the alternative to playing solo or alone, it would appear to be theirs too.
Kallie Altosoro
Ardene TAC
#25 - 2014-07-06 01:59:21 UTC
I don't know what makes people think I am buying PLEX. I'm not. All I did was pay for a one year subscription to the game. Nothing else. No extra for in-game ISK or anything like that. To date, I've never even had half the amount of ISK that you can buy PLEX for.

Yeah, Ok. I overreacted to the guy last month who put a bounty on me. According to the cinematic for the expansion that added the bounty system (I watched them all before deciding to play the game,) it appeared to me that bounties were added in to the game to deter bad behavior (You want to destroy ships? Fine. See how YOU like it not being able to enter friendly space without someone gunning for your backside!) That may have been the intention anyway. So, to me, having a bounty is a bad thing. But it turns out that players in the game turned putting a bounty on someone from a punishment to an expression of affection. "I like you. So, here's 100,000 ISK on your head." "Yeah. I love you too. Here's a bullet in your brain." Weird but I'm not surprised when game players distort an option to do something the developers never intended that option to do. Still, I'm of the mindset that if you have a large bounty on your head, you've done something wrong. I'm sure I'll get over it eventually. But there will always be a lingering doubt.

Perhaps I should invest in a jump clone that never leaves a station and put the +5's on that. They may not seem worth it to some. But I'm told that before too long, I will start seeing two weeks or more on training times. Possibly even more than thirty days to train a skill. If I can reduce that, I'd like to. I hadn't considered the jump clone idea. Sounds like a plan.

I don't know about corps / guilds. I've been playing MMO's for more than eleven years. I've yet to find groups of people who don't, at some point, break their own rules. I have a real problem with **** jokes. I have for longer than I've been playing MMO's. Recruiters have always assured me that "We don't tolerate that." Inevitably, someone will make a **** joke and if I complain even to the same person who assured me that "We don't tolerate that," I'm told that I need to lighten up. I've seen this so often that I just cannot take anyone at their word anymore. Maybe that makes me a total jerk. Maybe having morals is a horrible, horrible thing in today's world. But it's hard to have fun when something you feel strongly about keeps happening. Not to mention being invited to fleet mining and killed by those who are supposed to be your "corp mates." Even canines eventually run away from their masters if their master keeps hitting them.

I'll have to look in to directional scanning, kill boards, and such. It is a bit more work than I thought I'd have to do in a video game. But if it must be done, so be it. I've talked to lots of people who mine in the game. None of them have reported the losses or frequency of attacks I've had to endure for being such a "special snowflake." But it still surprises me that people blame the dragon when the dragon bites them after the person pokes the dragon with a stick. What do people expect the dragon to do, say "Please, sir, may I have another?" I'd like to think that I am fairly easy to get along with. Treat me with respect, don't insult me, and I respond in kind. I don't know why I'm expected to take being told I'm am the slang word for male genitalia as a compliment. *shrug*

Edit: the forums never seem to want to post my entries. I always have to hit "post" three times for the words to appear. I wonder why that is.

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Nikolai Lachance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-07-06 02:30:56 UTC
Kallie Altosoro wrote:
I don't know what makes people think I am buying PLEX. I'm not. All I did was pay for a one year subscription to the game. Nothing else. No extra for in-game ISK or anything like that. To date, I've never even had half the amount of ISK that you can buy PLEX for.

Apparently you managed to buy +5 implants though, a full set of which will run half a billion ISK, which is approaching PLEX value.


Quote:
Weird but I'm not surprised when game players distort an option to do something the developers never intended that option to do. Still, I'm of the mindset that if you have a large bounty on your head, you've done something wrong. I'm sure I'll get over it eventually. But there will always be a lingering doubt.

It's not so much that players distorted it, it's just that it failed to have the intended effect. Still, the bounty system now is much more sensible than it used to be. But, the amount of bounty someone has pretty much never influences whether or not someone is willing to attack them.


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Perhaps I should invest in a jump clone that never leaves a station and put the +5's on that. They may not seem worth it to some. But I'm told that before too long, I will start seeing two weeks or more on training times. Possibly even more than thirty days to train a skill. If I can reduce that, I'd like to. I hadn't considered the jump clone idea. Sounds like a plan.

Well, since you've trained Cybernetics to V, every minute spent training without +5s installed is time where that Cybernetics train is wasted. So, you might as well use those implants again when you can afford them. Just don't go breaking the bank to do it. Also, you should never lose your pod in highsec space (and rarely in lowsec even). Search around for some information on that.


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Not to mention being invited to fleet mining and killed by those who are supposed to be your "corp mates." Even canines eventually run away from their masters if their master keeps hitting them.

Well clearly you found a group who derives pleasure from reverse awoxing (ie inviting players into their corp for the purpose of killing them without penalty). Joining a corp in Eve requires a bit more diligence and research than joining a guild in other games does, precisely because of things like this. I would tend to avoid recruiting spam and instead look for interesting people in the game you can enjoy collaborating with. Then, see if they want to let you in their corp (or form a new one with you).


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But it still surprises me that people blame the dragon when the dragon bites them after the person pokes the dragon with a stick. What do people expect the dragon to do, say "Please, sir, may I have another?" I'd like to think that I am fairly easy to get along with. Treat me with respect, don't insult me, and I respond in kind. I don't know why I'm expected to take being told I'm am the slang word for male genitalia as a compliment. *shrug*

You don't have to take it as a compliment, but you better learn to let it roll off your back. Half the crap people pull in this game is to get a rise out of the victim. You'll often hear about people's lust for harvesting "tears". It seems to be a currency in this game. If you can get someone to whine or ***** about something you did to them, you're apparently winning at Eve. Demonstrating that you can be a reliable source of tears will only invite more attempts at extracting them. It's possible you've developed this reputation. It can be hard to shake. However, I think there's hope for you. You did come to the forums to complain about the problems, but you didn't do it in an especially whiny or entitled way. I think you kind of get how the game works, and you just had a bad go of it and might be able to turn it around. The real question you have to ask yourself is if you're willing to endure more of this crap to continue in this game or not. It's not for everyone, and we like it that way.
Kallie Altosoro
Ardene TAC
#27 - 2014-07-06 02:44:38 UTC
Quote:
Apparently you managed to buy +5 implants though, a full set of which will run half a billion ISK, which is approaching PLEX value.

I just mined a lot of ore and didn't buy anything unless I had to. It added up over time.

Training Cybernetics V may not be everyone's cup of tea. But I liked the idea of reduced training times and I did it. If it was a bad thing, well, it's my fault then.

"Hey, this is my kind of rain.  No wonder the sky looked funny today."  -Dante

At warp, I can fly through a star.  But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.  /smirk

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#28 - 2014-07-06 03:22:22 UTC
You really need to get a tanked Procurer if you want to take advantage of those implants. You can switch into a Retriever when you know you are safe or you've earned enough Isk to be able to afford the loss.

Use Dotlan to find a safe system to mine and check it each day for Code activity. Add Code and other known gankers to your contact list.

Don't reroll your char. But, consider using one of your alt slots to create a character you can use to post on these forums so that you don't attract unnecessary attention.

When someone gives you advice in game -- verify it with others before taking it.

I copy my text before I post so I can get it back.

Hang in there ... you're showing a willingness to learn and study - you'll be fine.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-07-06 06:28:18 UTC
Kallie Altosoro wrote:


.


Please stop lying.

You were not killed by your corp mates.

You were killed and popped a few times by Albert Dexson and then ganked by another person.

This leaves me to think you were killed by war targets except for the last one which was as I said a gank.


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Kallie Altosoro
Ardene TAC
#30 - 2014-07-06 07:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kallie Altosoro
Quote:

Please stop lying.

You were not killed by your corp mates.

You were killed and popped a few times by Albert Dexson and then ganked by another person.

This leaves me to think you were killed by war targets except for the last one which was as I said a gank.


You assume that THIS character was the one I experienced the corp grief with. You would be incorrect. That character was returned to biomass and this character created in it's place ( I cannot have more than one really without buying PLEX so they can train skills.) Yes, Dexson forced me to abandon the corp I made for myself. The attacker afterwards was someone named Bram Ridder or something like that. The last two that attacked me, one is named Septagon Trans, I think. From the Illuminati.

I was not going to name names. But when I'm called a "liar," I feel a need to defend myself. I'm starting to believe I should stop doing that since it never works out. Such as I see here.

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At warp, I can fly through a star.  But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.  /smirk

Belesia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
#31 - 2014-07-06 10:20:17 UTC
Never mind just tanking your ship atleast fully fit it, rigs included. Go somewhere quiter and preferably away from Caldari space and learn your locals and use d-scan. Try not to respond to peoples verbal bait both in game and here on the forum aswell. Unlike most other mmo's EVE is nice and unique in the sense that out of game action can actually follow you into the game and vice versa. It's one of the more entertaining aspects of the game because it makes you somewhat more accountable for things you do and say.

If you asked me what I would do though... i'd move out of highsec, sure there's much more inherent danger but if you employ the necessary precautions and counter measures you will rarely die. Things become much more rewarding imo when you leave behind the artificial safe guards of highsec that most who hide behind don't fully understand anyway. Find a nice quite area of low/null and just have Black Frog do all your transporting. The game becomes a lot more fun and enjoyable.

Just adapt and move on. You have everything in this thread now to continue better prepared.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-07-06 10:35:50 UTC
Kallie Altosoro wrote:
Quote:

Please stop lying.

You were not killed by your corp mates.

You were killed and popped a few times by Albert Dexson and then ganked by another person.

This leaves me to think you were killed by war targets except for the last one which was as I said a gank.


You assume that THIS character was the one I experienced the corp grief with. You would be incorrect. That character was returned to biomass and this character created in it's place ( I cannot have more than one really without buying PLEX so they can train skills.) Yes, Dexson forced me to abandon the corp I made for myself. The attacker afterwards was someone named Bram Ridder or something like that. The last two that attacked me, one is named Septagon Trans, I think. From the Illuminati.

I was not going to name names. But when I'm called a "liar," I feel a need to defend myself. I'm starting to believe I should stop doing that since it never works out. Such as I see here.


Issue with that statement:

Killboard show the Dexson kills - war target kills.

But it shows neither Bram Ridder or something and Septagon Trans killed you on killboards.

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Albert Dexson
Dexson Ventures
#33 - 2014-07-06 11:29:18 UTC
I feel evoked. Here the events from my memories.

As linked before there was verbal slur, that was repeated via evemail, coming from Ms. Altosoro targeting my close friend gfldex. As he was occupied elsewhere he called in a favour to provide satisfaction regarding Ms. Altosoro unexceptionable behaviour. Given the public note provided here, it was assumed that Ms. Altosoro was aware of the origin and nature of the hostilities.

War was declared and terms where excepted by CONCORD. To my knowledge CONCORD got in touch with the opposing party and briefly explained the rules of engagement. As any additional rules are public knowledge I did not see the needs to provide any communication to Ms. Altosoro.

For two weeks and one day nothing happened. I would guess that a third party recommended to wait the war out. My close friend provided me with virtually unlimited funds to maintain the wardec -- and so it went on. Another day into the war the opposing party Ms. Altosoro offered a formal surrender via CONCORD with the following wording.

Quote:
There is no point in this. The post in question on the forums was locked.


Please note the lack of any offer of compensation or even a request to begin negotiations. The formal request was rejected and another week of waiting followed.

Finally, after more then 3 weeks of close observation, by a party I will not reveal here, Ms. Altosoro made a fatal move. The result can be seen here and here. I would like to add that between the call for me to enter my hangar and the attack at close range of Ms. Altosoro's retriever nearly 5 minutes have passed, thanks to me moving from one system to another and quite a bit of warping. Sleeping at the wheel is never best practise.

A quick look at the map suggested that the target might have been moved two jumps into a cloning facility. Those two jumps where done faster then asking a locator agent, so that part was skipped. Still being under surveillance Ms. Altosoro choose to repeat her earlier mistake and undocked with a new shiny Retriever. Did a whole jump, warped into a belt and continued mining. At that point I didn't know what to think of the situation but was not afraid about my destroyer. There was no trap. Again, my opponent didn't choose to leave the scene in time.

The next day I was informed by CONCORD that the war has ended because The Ornery Goat hit zero members.

As advice to Ms. Altosoro I would like to quote the immortal Billy Connolly and one unnamed sniper.

have a nice day
Kallie Altosoro
Ardene TAC
#34 - 2014-07-06 12:14:08 UTC
Quote:

Issue with that statement:

Killboard show the Dexson kills - war target kills.

But it shows neither Bram Ridder or something and Septagon Trans killed you on killboards.
Ok. I'm not reading the combat logs right then.

And now Dexson has showed up. Frankly, the more I go on, the more the ******* I'll be. Fine. Fine, you all win. I'll throw Kallie in to the biomass and start over again since it's obvious I'll never be able to get anywhere now. I'll just accept full responsibility for everything and that I'm a liar on top of it all.

You can all laugh now. Bye.

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At warp, I can fly through a star.  But I have to finaggle my way around this asteroid.  /smirk

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-07-06 12:27:19 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Albert Dexson wrote:
I feel evoked. Here the events from my memories.

As linked before there was verbal slur, that was repeated via evemail, coming from Ms. Altosoro targeting my close friend gfldex. As he was occupied elsewhere he called in a favour to provide satisfaction regarding Ms. Altosoro unexceptionable behaviour. Given the public note provided here, it was assumed that Ms. Altosoro was aware of the origin and nature of the hostilities.

War was declared and terms where excepted by CONCORD. To my knowledge CONCORD got in touch with the opposing party and briefly explained the rules of engagement. As any additional rules are public knowledge I did not see the needs to provide any communication to Ms. Altosoro.

For two weeks and one day nothing happened. I would guess that a third party recommended to wait the war out. My close friend provided me with virtually unlimited funds to maintain the wardec -- and so it went on. Another day into the war the opposing party Ms. Altosoro offered a formal surrender via CONCORD with the following wording.

Quote:
There is no point in this. The post in question on the forums was locked.


Please note the lack of any offer of compensation or even a request to begin negotiations. The formal request was rejected and another week of waiting followed.

Finally, after more then 3 weeks of close observation, by a party I will not reveal here, Ms. Altosoro made a fatal move. The result can be seen here and here. I would like to add that between the call for me to enter my hangar and the attack at close range of Ms. Altosoro's retriever nearly 5 minutes have passed, thanks to me moving from one system to another and quite a bit of warping. Sleeping at the wheel is never best practise.

A quick look at the map suggested that the target might have been moved two jumps into a cloning facility. Those two jumps where done faster then asking a locator agent, so that part was skipped. Still being under surveillance Ms. Altosoro choose to repeat her earlier mistake and undocked with a new shiny Retriever. Did a whole jump, warped into a belt and continued mining. At that point I didn't know what to think of the situation but was not afraid about my destroyer. There was no trap. Again, my opponent didn't choose to leave the scene in time .

The next day I was informed by CONCORD that the war has ended because The Ornery Goat hit zero members.

As advice to Ms. Altosoro I would like to quote the immortal Billy Connolly and one unnamed sniper.

have a nice day


You must be new to the forums.

Killmails / killboard links are not allowed other then in 1 specific thread in Crime & Punishment, suggest remove them otherwise your friendly forum moderator will just delete the entire post.

EDIT:

Removed killboard links out of quoted text

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Lantro
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-07-06 12:31:00 UTC
Kallie Altosoro wrote:
Training Cybernetics V may not be everyone's cup of tea. But I liked the idea of reduced training times and I did it. If it was a bad thing, well, it's my fault then.

It wasn't, training this to V is one of the really important things. There are some other implants beside attributes that can be really important in some cases...sorry to say this but every pilot with more than 25m sp without it is wrong in this game imho. But what about using cheaper implants for the start? I mean waiting for your wallet to fill up until you can buy +5 again or simply buy cheap +3, maybe +4 will not only save you lots of isk, it will also (most likely) let you train faster on the long run. Every +1 gives you a bonus of 64800 SP every month so the difference between +3 and +5 comes down to around 2 days less training time every month...you will most likely need longer to make the isk for a single +5 set than you benefit from it compared to +3/+4.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-07-06 12:38:20 UTC
I stand corrected. Found the kill by Septagon Trans

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-07-06 12:39:58 UTC
Lantro wrote:
Kallie Altosoro wrote:
Training Cybernetics V may not be everyone's cup of tea. But I liked the idea of reduced training times and I did it. If it was a bad thing, well, it's my fault then.

It wasn't, training this to V is one of the really important things. There are some other implants beside attributes that can be really important in some cases...sorry to say this but every pilot with more than 25m sp without it is wrong in this game imho. But what about using cheaper implants for the start? I mean waiting for your wallet to fill up until you can buy +5 again or simply buy cheap +3, maybe +4 will not only save you lots of isk, it will also (most likely) let you train faster on the long run. Every +1 gives you a bonus of 64800 SP every month so the difference between +3 and +5 comes down to around 2 days less training time every month...you will most likely need longer to make the isk for a single +5 set than you benefit from it compared to +3/+4.


*cough* Bigger isn't always better.


In EVE it's not about what is bigger, it's about what is most effective.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-07-06 13:49:10 UTC
Kallie Altosoro wrote:
But both CCP's games EVE Online and DUST 514 are absolutely draining me and I just don't understand why.


I'll be honest, I stopped reading your wall of text right there. Want to be fulfilled and not drained? Stop mining, and pewpew. Buy a hundred Rifters and lose every single one in a glorious explosion. Learn from every fight. Analyze what you did wrong.

After that, you will know what to do.






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Chinwe Rhei
Syn Interstellar
#40 - 2014-07-06 14:58:58 UTC
The only reason you're in this situation is that you're stubburnly buying +5s for hundreds of millions of isk every time you die without them making a huge difference in your training time.
What''s the hurry ?

It's not worth it. If you didn't do that your losses would be covered by your income in a day and you could just shrug them off and learn from them like it's intended.