Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think it generally accepted that assault site need fixing, and it looks like CCP are already addressing that somewhat, but maybe altering the ship limitations is best.

Rats on gates doesn't make much sense in HS. Too many innocent bystanders and it really is not needed.

VGs need more sites, I think increasing to 10 sites per system would be good, as they are extremely busy at times.

Scout sites need to be worth doing with a small group, and I like the previous suggestion that they should be something a few VG runners can do when then haven't got fleets. This would certainly open up the Low Sec site more, as currently there is absolutely no point in running scouts in Low.

Low sec needs a little love, but not too much. I believe that the main problem is that a lot of PVP orientated players tend to scorn incursions in general, and have no idea how to fly low spawns as a result. in tandem, HS incursion runners are not prepared to risk their ships in LS. Only a small few people realize you can get a healthy mix of isk making and pvp from these sites, and you can do it in sensible/pvp ships with equivalent isk/hr to HS and more, with the added bonus of people coming to you for pvp as apposed to roaming around looking for fights. I've tried to work on this problem as a player with mixed results.

I think a tweak in the reward ratio for low sites, just slightly could tip the balance so people will make use of these sites, and fight over them. But not to much to make it worth monopolizing by larger groups.

Also, I think more low sec spawns would be good, currently they are very limited.

Finally since incursions are very popular, and one of the most interesting ways to PVE in the game, I would suggest a decrease in the incursion respawn timers, and possible in increase in the number of simultaneous active incursions, in HS, LS and Null respectively. The reason I suggest a respawn timer change is, if an incursion(lets say the last one up) goes down, usually at the end of a TZ(e.g. EU), then the TZ that kills it go to bed and get up the next day to a new incursion usually. But the people in the opposite TZ dont get an incursion spawn happen, because the wake up to it just popping, and it will not respawn before their bed time. This bed time business sounds a little shoddy, but you catch my drift?

Some ideas about a HS only carrier are interesting, if it could fit say 4 fit BS, and be limited to HS like caps are limited to low/null. But it may be a step too far in terms of traveling advantages.

In general, I think incursion runners are not overly enthusiastic about CCP meddling with incursions, as the communities are strong, and people fear a change for the worse rather than better, so it should be very carefully approached. I think incursions are one of the most successful parts of the game and if that was changed a lot of people's interest in Eve would decrease.

Well not every BS I have in the focus is that expensive, I tend to move a lot of T1 BS, T1 Logis, faction Cruisers or BCs for the loan out system to and would probably never use it for my more expensive BS. I am very sure ships form the ship maintenance bay can't drop on ship destruction and the modules on them are not shown with a cargo scanner, what means that you could still destroy this kind of ship transporters, but it wouldn't provide ISK in the end(if you don't have very expensive mods in the normal cargo).

There also also option to move the expensive mods separately in a different ship(like a blockade runner), like some people do it.

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Problem: High-sec incursions have a disgusting risk/reward ratio, killing efficiency of many aspects of the game (eg, WHs)
Solution: Lower the isk or increase the risk.

Problem: Incursions cause too much inflation by straight-rewarding ISK
Solution: Rewards should be items that other players buy, so money doesn't just "poof" into existence.

Isk to risk ratio is pretty fine.

You should come run low sec incursions if you don't like the hs ones, for the extra risk you crave.

Also, arguments like yours fail to take into account how popular incursions are, and how much of an impact on the game it would have to nerf them beyond worth doing.

I expect the OP will be mainly looking for positive feedback from people interested in incursions, and probably ignoring the usual, nerf them there hs incursions isks, no concord response type remarks.

50 Billion Isk in ships that I know of has been lost in incursions to PvP in the last two days. Sorry if that isn't enough PvP risk for you. (& that assumes I know of all the ships lost lately)

Problem: The tagging sequencer being a pain in our collective rears.

Solution: Allow us to reset the sequencer with a key bind and/or button.

This is a no-brainer QoL fix that shouldn't be to hard to get.

Pretty sure he's saying incursions are not a problem as an ISK faucet, not saying anything about ISK/h balance.

What infuriates me is that you earn equal or more ISK/h in your risk-free (ignoring 20b officer gankbaits) highsec farm than I do in a C3 wormhole (I earn 100m/h) with arguably the most risk in Eve.
"But we have to move around and stuff so it's not really that good ISK/h"
Yeah? So do I! I have to crash wormholes or wait them out when there's hostiles or no sites.

Now, I'm not saying CCP should remove CONCORD or anything crazy like that, but they should take a look at risk\reward.
It's not uncommon for me to hear my lowsec and wormhole friends (I don't have any null friends, but I can only assume it's the same there) say they'll log on their incursion alt. Do you honestly think risk\reward is balanced when people from wormhole and lowsec go to highsec to earn ISK?

We have close to 100 Accounts being used to support a 40 man fleet, if you used the same number in a WH would it feel relatively safe?

The effort involved to run Incursions is considerably more than the effort required to run a WH OP, and far more expensive.

No, I am asking if you dedicated 100 alts to run your WH, and support the 12 alt's you farm with, would it then be relatively safe, easy and risk free.

I would think they average raiding party would not want to take on an 80 man fleet, and the 12 man farm fleet would never notice the 20 that were used for running supplies, checking safe routes, and whatnot.

Or in WH terms, Collapsing unwanted holes, hauling fuel, scanning all sigs, buying/selling supplies ect. ect. You can't really compare the two (Although I made a poor attempt anyways) but if you had the same size of community you would have the relative same amount of safety. Then the problem is a WH life is about limited circles of trust, and not having to deal with Empire, Nul or Low sec politics whereas Incursions are about communities with maximum 'safe' access and dealing with all the joys Highsec and greedy gankers have to offer. Each to their own, but I would caution downplaying things you are apparently not involved in.

That sounds harsher than I intended.