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Flyer Giglio
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-07-04 10:13:48 UTC
Hi all.

Not to cry and whine about it. Just want to know the game mechanics. I decided to go solo into low sec for faction warfare to have a try at things. Interestingly, i saw a pod that's seemingly afk. So i went ahead and blew it up. HAHAHA Twisted

But naturally as a new player to low sec, i'm afraid that he'll call backup. so i hurriedly ran back to high sec. But... The moment i get back, my warp is disabled. I can't go anywhere and the concord (i think) killed me pretty fast. Yes, so i got a free pod kill worth 10k and i lost a 30m police comet. I've been spending time reading forums and understanding fits, getting my isk up and finally a decent ship. I now have to build up my isk again.

That's not the point. Just want to rant a little. I want to ask if such things happen next time, how can i prevent it? never go back to high sec anymore? or if i jump back, is there anyway i can escape with my warp not being disabled?
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#2 - 2014-07-04 10:22:18 UTC
It's because you popped a pod. You acquire a criminal flag by doing that which causes CONCORD to attack you if you go into High-Sec before it expires.

More details of flag timers here: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Crimewatch#Criminal_Timer

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-07-04 10:24:19 UTC
Flyer Giglio wrote:
or if i jump back, is there anyway i can escape with my warp not being disabled?


Just make sure that any criminal flag you acquire has expired before you jump to highsec. The flag should be visible top-left of your screen and will have a count-down on it.
Flyer Giglio
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-07-04 10:27:03 UTC
thanks both. Guess i was just too eager to get back to "safety" after blowing something. high-sec isn't so safe afterall.

Bye high-sec Big smile
Marzom Dread
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-07-04 10:27:26 UTC
You had a 15 minute criminal timer (since you fired first). You have to wait out the timer before jumping back into Empire space.

If he was in another ship, and fired first (getting the Criminal status) then you would only have to wait out the 30 second engagement timer.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2014-07-04 10:45:11 UTC
Highsec is not safe.
Evading CONCORD is a permaband offence fyi, not that it's possible.

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Out of the Blue.
#7 - 2014-07-04 11:40:12 UTC
Marzom Dread wrote:
You had a 15 minute criminal timer (since you fired first). You have to wait out the timer before jumping back into Empire space.

If he was in another ship, and fired first (getting the Criminal status) then you would only have to wait out the 30 second engagement timer.


Just to clear this up real quick.

If you fire at someone elses SHIP first in lowsec, providing he is not a legal target, you will only gain a Suspect timer, not a criminal one. Suspect timers mean you can be legally engaged anywhere (and your pod) and CONCORD will just sit there and laugh. There a numbers of ways you can be suspect which is explained in the above wiki link.

Also bear in mind if you engage in criminal activity (which includes any yellow suspect flag offences) within the vacinity of gate and station guns, they will also chip in. Not really a bit deal in a cruiser (although they will give the opponent an advantage) they will make mincemeat out of frigates as they have no tracking penalties (i.e. you cant speed tank them)

The 30 second engagement timer you refer to is not quite right. Its a 60 second Weapons flag which means you cant jump a gate or dock in a station for 60 seconds after youve fired (and deactivated) an offensive module. Guns, points, ECM etc. This is regardless of legality and location (i.e. it applies in null as well)


Hope this helps
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#8 - 2014-07-04 11:51:50 UTC
Perception tip:

You will find low sec is safer than high if you go on criminal rampages a lot. Just get a dock and undock bm for a station in systems you hunt. Timers mean less there.
Tarfu Bundy
The Circus Corp
#9 - 2014-07-04 15:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarfu Bundy
I simply think that you are confused about what you really wish to do in this game. Shooting things which cannot fend for themselves reveals a rather pussilanimous foundation of your confidence. Not that there is anything wrong with it. At least you try to shoot sitting ducks on your own and not in groups. Miner, pods, noob ships... Are sitting ducks and will get you into trouble one way or another. Cool corps looking at your kill board and seeing that you shoot ducks will not consider you as member. All you will have left are the other weaklings who thrive on short lived instant gratifications. If you like to shoot ducks, then mount a mining laser, shoot asteroids and destroy those while earning money while becoming a successful industrialist.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#10 - 2014-07-04 15:21:35 UTC
Tarfu Bundy wrote:
... Stuff...


Perception tip #2:

Activity is more important than target selection to the 'cool' corps I know of. Anyone out and about looking for trouble will find the lame duck targets every day. The kill ails from those aren't about chest pounding, they demonstrate activity.

Congrats on your first pod squish OP.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#11 - 2014-07-04 15:27:27 UTC
Tarfu Bundy wrote:
I simply think that you are confused about what you really wish to do in this game. Shooting things which cannot fend for themselves reveals a rather pussilanimous foundation of your confidence. Not that there is anything wrong with it. At least you try to shoot sitting ducks on your own and not in groups. Miner, pods, noob ships... Are sitting ducks and will get you into trouble one way or another. Cool corps looking at your kill board and seeing that you shoot ducks will not consider you as member. All you will have left are the other weaklings who thrive on short lived instant gratifications. If you like to shoot ducks, then mount a mining laser, shoot asteroids and destroy those while earning money while becoming a successful industrialist.


Just wanted to say that you shouldent take this post to seriously.I havent looked at your KB, so i will only take into account what the OP said.

First off good on you for taking the chance and going into low sec on your own! A lot of new players are very hesitant to do this, even if the earlier they do it the better. At this point your ships and pod is cheap, thus loosing them wont mean as much as it will when you start to fly more expensive stuff.

People have already covered the timer, so not going to add anything to that.

Now for what the quoted post says.
Its true that some PVP corporations wont take you as seriously if you only blow up miners, haulers and cyno frigs. However, that should not discourage you from blowing them up when you have the chance. Any target is a good target Smile
So, if you see more AFK pods, blow them up. If you see a miner, blow them up, if you see an AFK Rorqual sitting in space get some friends and blow it up! And yes that does happen Lol
A healthy mix of kills is never a bad thing when applying for a corp.

However, please note that if you do blow up miners, haulers and similar people will soon start to call you a pirate. Its a reputation you have to accept and learn to live with. That reputation can prevent you from joining certain corporations (anti pirate corporations in particular).

Have fun and good luck Smile

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Ethikos
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-07-04 16:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ethikos
Let me echo what NightCrawler 85 said. First, congrats on taking your first steps into PvP in EvE. In my experience, EvE PvP is one of the most rewarding video gaming experiences you can have. It gets very complex with lots to learn. As you found out, its a huge rush as well. Now think of how you will feel the first time you go 1v1 with another comparable ship and come out on top!

You have the answer on what happened to you mechanically. So yes, wait until your criminal timer is down before you jump into high sec. Dont feel to bad though. Its almost a rite of passage for learning to PvP. I know I did it once when I first started. Also be aware that your security status will take a hit every time you engage another ship or pod in low (unless they are a war target, etc). If your security status goes low enough, the faction police NPC ships will start chasing you when you get into high sec. That being said, you can still warp gate to gate / gate to station in a frigate or the like. The faction police NPC ships are by design much weaker than CONCORD.

Beyond that, for your next steps I would really recommend joining a newbie PvP oriented corp. Realize you didnt ask, but I can not stress enough how helpful I found joining a group when I first stated out PvP wise. Brave Newbies, EvE Uni, Red v Blue; all of them are newbie friendly and engage in plenty of PvP. You may already be set in regards to a corp, but if not finding one can help you learn a lot of the basics and give you some friends to fly with.

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Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#13 - 2014-07-04 16:39:35 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Evading CONCORD is a permaband offence fyi, not that it's possible.


Actually it is possible, WORMHOLES! (But again, its an exploit Sad)

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2014-07-04 17:03:37 UTC
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-07-04 23:06:23 UTC
Flyer Giglio wrote:
Hi all.

Not to cry and whine about it. Just want to know the game mechanics. I decided to go solo into low sec for faction warfare to have a try at things. Interestingly, i saw a pod that's seemingly afk. So i went ahead and blew it up. HAHAHA Twisted

But naturally as a new player to low sec, i'm afraid that he'll call backup. so i hurriedly ran back to high sec. But... The moment i get back, my warp is disabled. I can't go anywhere and the concord (i think) killed me pretty fast. Yes, so i got a free pod kill worth 10k and i lost a 30m police comet. I've been spending time reading forums and understanding fits, getting my isk up and finally a decent ship. I now have to build up my isk again.

That's not the point. Just want to rant a little. I want to ask if such things happen next time, how can i prevent it? never go back to high sec anymore? or if i jump back, is there anyway i can escape with my warp not being disabled?


Quite simple:

Attack anybody illegally in highsec OR kill a pod in low-sec > Criminal timer

Having a criminal timer and being in high-sec is a bad match...it gets you CONCORDokkend, as you found out.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#16 - 2014-07-05 08:48:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
Simple shooting an egg is murder but shooting their ships is just a petty crime, so don't shoot the pods and you're fine or at least don't enter high sec until timer expires, also your sec status just took a considerable hit for killing that pod.
Now if you belong in to faction you don't take sec hit from shooting players + benefits but IIRC you stil can't shoot the pods without consequences.

edit: from the chart above you can shoot the pods as long as the target is 'legal' ie. you're at war with them as is the case in FW militia.

Edit2: migh also add that entering a station for repairs and making a quick exit with a timer still running is also a bad idea, I've lost a few bombers in low sec this way as you cannot cloak while you exit and because of kick out your bomber aligns forever or at least long enough to get blabbed by station guns.

Unless you have an exit bm of c. though but as we know stupidity kills.
Flyer Giglio
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-07-05 08:56:48 UTC
Tarfu Bundy wrote:
I simply think that you are confused about what you really wish to do in this game. Shooting things which cannot fend for themselves reveals a rather pussilanimous foundation of your confidence. Not that there is anything wrong with it. At least you try to shoot sitting ducks on your own and not in groups. Miner, pods, noob ships... Are sitting ducks and will get you into trouble one way or another. Cool corps looking at your kill board and seeing that you shoot ducks will not consider you as member. All you will have left are the other weaklings who thrive on short lived instant gratifications. If you like to shoot ducks, then mount a mining laser, shoot asteroids and destroy those while earning money while becoming a successful industrialist.


thanks for your advise regardless of your choice of words. Sadly I don't have your kind of confidence the first 20 seconds going into low-sec and begin to hunt ships. I see a pod, i pod it. i doubt that's very "pussilanimous" like you said (nice invention of a word btw) Blink.
Flyer Giglio
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-07-05 09:01:52 UTC
L'ouris wrote:
Tarfu Bundy wrote:
... Stuff...


Perception tip #2:

Activity is more important than target selection to the 'cool' corps I know of. Anyone out and about looking for trouble will find the lame duck targets every day. The kill ails from those aren't about chest pounding, they demonstrate activity.

Congrats on your first pod squish OP.


Thanks for your words Big smile

NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Tarfu Bundy wrote:
I simply think that you are confused about what you really wish to do in this game. Shooting things which cannot fend for themselves reveals a rather pussilanimous foundation of your confidence. Not that there is anything wrong with it. At least you try to shoot sitting ducks on your own and not in groups. Miner, pods, noob ships... Are sitting ducks and will get you into trouble one way or another. Cool corps looking at your kill board and seeing that you shoot ducks will not consider you as member. All you will have left are the other weaklings who thrive on short lived instant gratifications. If you like to shoot ducks, then mount a mining laser, shoot asteroids and destroy those while earning money while becoming a successful industrialist.


Just wanted to say that you shouldent take this post to seriously.I havent looked at your KB, so i will only take into account what the OP said.

First off good on you for taking the chance and going into low sec on your own! A lot of new players are very hesitant to do this, even if the earlier they do it the better. At this point your ships and pod is cheap, thus loosing them wont mean as much as it will when you start to fly more expensive stuff.

People have already covered the timer, so not going to add anything to that.

Now for what the quoted post says.
Its true that some PVP corporations wont take you as seriously if you only blow up miners, haulers and cyno frigs. However, that should not discourage you from blowing them up when you have the chance. Any target is a good target Smile
So, if you see more AFK pods, blow them up. If you see a miner, blow them up, if you see an AFK Rorqual sitting in space get some friends and blow it up! And yes that does happen Lol
A healthy mix of kills is never a bad thing when applying for a corp.

However, please note that if you do blow up miners, haulers and similar people will soon start to call you a pirate. Its a reputation you have to accept and learn to live with. That reputation can prevent you from joining certain corporations (anti pirate corporations in particular).

Have fun and good luck Smile


Thanks. I don't know what's the matter with the comment. for a moment i was thinking if podding a free pod is some unspoken no-no rule.
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#19 - 2014-07-05 12:44:35 UTC
Flyer Giglio wrote:
Thanks. I don't know what's the matter with the comment. for a moment i was thinking if podding a free pod is some unspoken no-no rule.


You will find that a lot of people/corporations/alliances have a different ROE (Rules Of Engagement).

The two most common ones you will run into is NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) and NRDS (Not Red Dont Shoot It).
You might also run into entities that use NHDS (Not Hostile Dont Shoot).

It really is a morale thing, so you just have to figure out for your self what you feel ok with and then look for people that has an ROE that fits with what you feel is ok. Some of the corporations you run into will be very strict and have strong penalties for those that dont follow the general ROE, others give you some leeway allowing you more freedom or settle on a simple slap on the wrist if you break the ROE.

The key thing here is that you have to figure out on your own what you feel is morally "ok" or not, and dont let others tell you what you should feel is the "right" way to feel.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-07-05 15:16:58 UTC
Tarfu Bundy wrote:
I simply think that you are confused about what you really wish to do in this game. Shooting things which cannot fend for themselves reveals a rather pussilanimous foundation of your confidence. Not that there is anything wrong with it. At least you try to shoot sitting ducks on your own and not in groups. Miner, pods, noob ships... Are sitting ducks and will get you into trouble one way or another. Cool corps looking at your kill board and seeing that you shoot ducks will not consider you as member. All you will have left are the other weaklings who thrive on short lived instant gratifications. If you like to shoot ducks, then mount a mining laser, shoot asteroids and destroy those while earning money while becoming a successful industrialist.


Please, point on the miniature rifter where the bad person touched your ship.


OP, this is exactly the type of persons who are clueless and talk out of their asses and you should never listen to said persons.

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