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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#1 - 2014-07-03 10:56:04 UTC
Crazier things have happened and I am know to do things that not everyone does.

Now I seek information about two combat ships that would not be known as combat ships, the Procurer and the Skiff.

How many points would they take in the tournament?

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Greygal
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#2 - 2014-07-03 12:17:36 UTC
Procurer and skiff are mining barges/exhumers. Per the rules, "Ship types not listed in the table are not allowed. " Mining barges and exhumers are not listed in the hull types/points table, so therefore they are not permitted in the arena as I understand the rules.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#3 - 2014-07-03 13:13:40 UTC
Okay that should clear this up, thanks.

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Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2014-07-03 17:26:13 UTC
Crazier things have happened and I am know to do things that not everyone does.

Now I seek information about two combat ships that would not be known as combat ships, the Aeon and the Hel.

How many points would they take in the tournament?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#5 - 2014-07-03 20:43:42 UTC
I have seen Gallente industrials in the Tournament, so two mining boat shouldnt be so far fetched

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Greygal
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#6 - 2014-07-04 00:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Greygal
elitatwo wrote:
I have seen Gallente industrials in the Tournament, so two mining boat shouldnt be so far fetched


They probably don't want mining barges in the tourney because it's supposed to be "serious." Roll Industrial ships - such as Badgers and Iterons - actually can serve a combat purpose. They can carry extra cap boosters, bring more ewar mids to the gang, draw fire away from other ships, and more. (This is not to say that mining barges don't necessarily serve a combat purpose, but whatever combat purpose they serve is arguably significantly lower than an Industrial ship.)

Industrial ships are not the same hull/ship class as exhumers and Mining Barges. Look at the market categories, and you will see that Industrial Ships are one hull/ship class, and Mining Barges are another. Mining Barges may be used for "industrial" purposes, but they are not Industrial Ships.

Industrial Ships is on the list of permissible ship/hull types, Mining Barges and Exhumers are not.

http://community.eveonline.com/community/alliance-tournament/rules/#ship-points

While this may be my personal interpretation, ultimately, of course, this is up to CCP to determine, but the rules are pretty clear to me.

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Greygal
Redemption Road
Affirmative.
#7 - 2014-07-04 00:40:51 UTC
Faife wrote:
Crazier things have happened and I am know to do things that not everyone does.

Now I seek information about two combat ships that would not be known as combat ships, the Aeon and the Hel.

How many points would they take in the tournament?


Aeons and Hels fall under the Capital Ship category. Capital Ships and carriers are not listed on the allowable Ships and Points list, so it's safe to assume they are not permissible Big smile

http://community.eveonline.com/community/alliance-tournament/rules/#ship-points

(Plus, we can't fit cyno's on our ships).

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#8 - 2014-07-06 02:01:54 UTC
Greygal wrote:
Faife wrote:
Crazier things have happened and I am know to do things that not everyone does.

Now I seek information about two combat ships that would not be known as combat ships, the Aeon and the Hel.

How many points would they take in the tournament?


Aeons and Hels fall under the Capital Ship category. Capital Ships and carriers are not listed on the allowable Ships and Points list, so it's safe to assume they are not permissible Big smile

http://community.eveonline.com/community/alliance-tournament/rules/#ship-points

(Plus, we can't fit cyno's on our ships).


Apparently the rules don't apply to CCP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Hf9UdKbWQ
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-07-11 15:58:48 UTC
What about the venture and its T2 bretha the Prospect?
These are "mining frigate" and "expedition frigate" and viable for combat (as demonstrated by certain combat logs.)
Are these allowed? Are these barred?
Hanath Golder
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#10 - 2014-07-11 16:25:39 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
What about the venture and its T2 bretha the Prospect?
These are "mining frigate" and "expedition frigate" and viable for combat (as demonstrated by certain combat logs.)
Are these allowed? Are these barred?



Same rule applies "Ship types not listed in the table are not allowed. "

.....its not that hard, if it aint on the list it aint coming in
Kadesh Priestess
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#11 - 2014-07-12 09:14:50 UTC
Assuming lists are composed using 'item group' names, venture is allowed and prospect isn't. Item group is shown in ship preview, right next to the ship race. Expedition frigate group is not on the list, thus it's not allowed (venture is just a frigate).

This is obviously just assumption, up to devs to confirm it.