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Bring The CSM Closer!
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Leguvan
Tempered Aggression
Seker Matar
#1 - 2014-07-02 14:50:32 UTC
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Bringing the CSM closer!
01.07.2014 14:32 | By CCP MakeItSo | No Comment

Salutations!

Today I have the great pleasure of bringing to you a new edition to the Eve Client. A hot topic in the community, especially around CSM election time, is how can we bring the CSM closer to the average Eve player. We all know the EveO forums can be a dangerous and nasty place and many people avoid it at all costs. There are very few places the CSM members can post their ideas, feedback and general thoughts. We wanted to bring these type of “blogs” closer to the players without them having to navigate the forums or go out to all various third party websites.

First, there will be an addition to the social menu…

Social Menu

And this will open a window, similar to the in game Eve Mail window…

CSM Window

This should give a familiar feel while using this feature. In the left pane there will be all the current CSM members. After selecting a CSM member, the top right pane will show all the blogs they have submitted with the title and the date it was approved to go live. Clicking the subject of the blog will load the message into the lower right pane for you to enjoy their exceptional insights.

There are a couple tabs at the top that you may or may not be able see, depending on who you are. The second one is for CSM members to write and submit a blog, while the third will be used for CCP Devs to view and approve a submitted blog.

Our hope is to bring all the CSM activity into one location and ensure it is easy to find and easy to use. We are also developing a future iteration on this window to make it possible for you, the player, to submit comments on the blogs and keep any conversations about a blog, alongside the blog.

Enjoy.




So, while listening to Podcasts at work during the CSM elections there was a lot of talk about how voting turnout is bad and a lot of people just don’t care about CSM or care enough to go out of their way to find out what is going on with it. So, while I sat there for long hours I had this idea working in the back of my mind. I know there will be a little behind the scenes work that needs to be done like adding database tables and programming the functionality of it all. However, I don’t see this as a large and time consuming project.

I would also like to see this window get a tab during election season to have a place for people that would like to put their hat into the ring to be able to submit an introduction blog and have players ask questions to them directly in the eve client. Then when it's time, have the ability to vote directly in the client.

I’m sure this kind of idea has been brought up before but I’d thought I’d do it my way.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#2 - 2014-07-02 15:01:42 UTC
Nah, this just allows the CSM's to voice their opinions in a vacuum without listening to the player base. If they truly want to represent the community they need to get involved with it, not send us a memo after they've conveniently decided what's best for us.

If you're a CSM and you can't let it all hang out on the forums, good bad and ugly, why the hell did you volunteer for such a public and social position?

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Leguvan
Tempered Aggression
Seker Matar
#3 - 2014-07-02 15:07:04 UTC
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make it possible for you, the player, to submit comments on the blogs and keep any conversations about a blog, alongside the blog.


I think I addressed your vacuum issue.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#4 - 2014-07-02 15:15:55 UTC
Leguvan wrote:
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make it possible for you, the player, to submit comments on the blogs and keep any conversations about a blog, alongside the blog.


I think I addressed your vacuum issue.


Not really. It'll still be a vacuum because you're just doing the same thing but distancing the CSM from where the community has already established they wish to discuss issues, by creating a new area and forcing those who want to be involved to divide their attention. Not only that but a lot of people want to actually play Eve when they are logged in, since that is typically the more difficult thing to schedule, and not waste their game time reading pages of suggestions, pages of comments and then forming a reply if necessary.

And who moderates the comments? The ISD?

Oh they'll love that.

This is quite literally the same as posting on the forums, but with less attention being drawn to the content and unnecessary hurdles thrown in the way of accessing that content.

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Leguvan
Tempered Aggression
Seker Matar
#5 - 2014-07-02 15:45:48 UTC
This system could be linked into Eve Gate in someway. The basic idea is a dedicated web blogging area supported by CCP for the CSM. Having a CSM blogging area on eve gate with this type of interface in the Eve client isn't impossible. The countless forums threads and individual websites dedicated to certain CSMs and their activities is by far not attention dividing I assume. I also guess since people don't navigate through hell and high water they have no interest in the CSM or it's functions.

The idea here was to bring things together and closer to the foreground.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2014-07-02 21:30:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Leguvan wrote:
This system could be linked into Eve Gate in someway. The basic idea is a dedicated web blogging area supported by CCP for the CSM. Having a CSM blogging area on eve gate with this type of interface in the Eve client isn't impossible. The countless forums threads and individual websites dedicated to certain CSMs and their activities is by far not attention dividing I assume. I also guess since people don't navigate through hell and high water they have no interest in the CSM or it's functions.

The idea here was to bring things together and closer to the foreground.


So tell me, OP. Have you ever been to the Assembly Hall, or perhaps Jita Park Speaker's Corner?

These are perfectly well-functioning, established places where players can interact with the CSM and vice-versa.

The problem isn't that the CSM is too distant from the players; the problem is that while the CSM is busy blogging and speaking and making themselves known, the players are too lazy, ignorant or misinformed ("the CSM is just a publicity stunt") to care.

Even if you put a big easy-to-find button right on the side panel for people to click, the only thing you'll get is rage about how making the icon for a CSM button was wasted dev time that should have been spent fixing nullsec (because the art team somehow works on fixing nullsec, I guess).

If you want a solution to perceived general disinterest in the CSM, attack the actual problem. I've already outlined some of it.
w3ak3stl1nk
Hedion University
#7 - 2014-07-03 11:55:57 UTC
CSM could just as easily open a public player channel... This is a player driven game and the solution is already there. If each CSM opened a channel you can talk to the one you voted for to discuss ideas? Or a group CSM public channel where all of them including the community can discuss ideas?

Is that my two cents or yours?
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#8 - 2014-07-03 15:55:54 UTC
w3ak3stl1nk wrote:
CSM could just as easily open a public player channel... This is a player driven game and the solution is already there. If each CSM opened a channel you can talk to the one you voted for to discuss ideas? Or a group CSM public channel where all of them including the community can discuss ideas?

By posting blogs the CSM can get out their thoughts in a well-composed way, that doesn't make any other method obsolete.

I didn't think that people would be screaming bloody murder and game breaking over a blog for the CSM, damn you guys need to calm the **** down. If you read a blog written by someone on the CSM, you will still be able to approach them in all the old ways to discuss it. The only difference is that their words are now easily available in a central location, which is apparently the worst thing in Eve since different playstyles.