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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2014-07-02 01:40:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
By this logic the best solution to the GFC would have been if we all insured our cars and then went out and drove dangerously.

It's not a matter of logic, but of game mechanics, and it has nothing to do with real life.

Insurance is an ISK faucet by very design. You could conceivably destroy ISK with it by being really really stupid, but it turns out people aren't actually that dumb. Shocking, I know. P



Regardless of ISK in the wallet, the net result after insurance of losing a ship (even if its in PvE and you get back the dropped modules) is a drop in the total ISK value of that players assets.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#302 - 2014-07-02 02:14:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Regardless of ISK in the wallet, the net result after insurance of losing a ship (even if its in PvE and you get back the dropped modules) is a drop in the total ISK value of that players assets.

Sure, but the player's wallet is not relevant for the money supply. The ISK the player lost hasn't left the system — it has only transferred to a different player.

For the economy at large, ship destruction always means more ISK is added. Since it's the money supply that is being discussed, it is a net increase. Insurance as a whole is designed to be an ISK faucet.
Socrates' psalmody
Jiao Yu EA Inc
#303 - 2014-07-02 03:17:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Regardless of ISK in the wallet, the net result after insurance of losing a ship (even if its in PvE and you get back the dropped modules) is a drop in the total ISK value of that players assets.

Sure, but the player's wallet is not relevant for the money supply. The ISK the player lost hasn't left the system — it has only transferred to a different player.

For the economy at large, ship destruction always means more ISK is added. Since it's the money supply that is being discussed, it is a net increase. Insurance as a whole is designed to be an ISK faucet.

Yeah you are right. I just cannot remember which is in higher amount between the insurance premium and the insurance compensation. I'm uninsured.Oops

hmmm......

Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#304 - 2014-07-02 17:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Celeste
CCP is doing another PLEX price intervention in Jita.

Small sell orders of 2-5 plex, blocks of the same price (~764m) and with a 3-6 second time difference.


EDIT: The character that is selling the blocks of plex is "Syratus". What was the name of the dev doing this again?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#305 - 2014-07-02 17:54:12 UTC
Steve Celeste wrote:
EDIT: The character that is selling the blocks of plex is "Syratus". What was the name of the dev doing this again?
CCP Firesale.

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Frial Jensin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#306 - 2014-07-03 15:17:52 UTC
Is anybody else reminded of the Monty Pyton sketch with the argument?
Customer walks into an argument store.
Customer: I would like to purchase an argument
Proprietor: Certainly, which kind of argument would you like?
...
Customer presents a social economic issue.
Proprietor: No it isn't.
Customer: Yes it is.
Proprietor: No it isn't.
Customer: This is not an argument! You are just contradicting me!
Proprietor: Yes it is.
Customer: No it isn't.
Proprietor: Yes it is.
etc...
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#307 - 2014-07-03 15:21:42 UTC
Frial Jensin wrote:
Is anybody else reminded of the Monty Pyton sketch with the argument?
Customer walks into an argument store.
Customer: I would like to purchase an argument
Proprietor: Certainly, which kind of argument would you like?
...
Customer presents a social economic issue.
Proprietor: No it isn't.
Customer: Yes it is.
Proprietor: No it isn't.
Customer: This is not an argument! You are just contradicting me!
Proprietor: Yes it is.
Customer: No it isn't.
Proprietor: Yes it is.
etc...


Actually EvE is more like the Twit of the Year awards.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#308 - 2014-07-03 15:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Li Quiao wrote:
Socrates' psalmody wrote:
...destruction of ships...


Destruction of ships doesn't remove ISK from the economy. In fact, it *adds* ISK, because the game pays out insurance when it happens.


By this logic the best solution to the GFC would have been if we all insured our cars and then went out and drove dangerously.


Sadly, the EvE insurance company isn't filled with accountants whose job is to find clauses and loopholes to invalidate your claim.

Personally, I would find this more fun if this happened in EvE;

"You bumped another ship within half an hour of your accident, we have ruled you were flying without due care and attention and will not be paying your premium"

"I'm sorry, your policy only includes for destruction by Antimatter, Uranium, Iridium, and Thorium, but your ship was destroyed by Plutonium, which isn't covered under this policy".

EDIT - I could go on all day "I'm sorry, the POCO at planet 7 recorded you going over the mandated speed limit for this system, which violates the terms of your insurance with us".
Steve Celeste
Doomheim
#309 - 2014-07-03 17:33:45 UTC
800m isk is the price for plex.

900m next week?


Nice try CCP.
Soul Canton
Absence of Truth
#310 - 2014-07-07 18:06:17 UTC
As a father and family man, my time to play eve is now fairly limited to maybe a couple of hours a night playing internet spaceships when the family goes to bed. I am concerned for my ability to play as I have to spend more time earning isk to pay for gametime and less time blowing ships up.

With the rising cost of plex, I understand that it may be supergreat for all of you people with disposable income and time, but for some of us, the cost of this game is getting prohibitive.

I may have to take a break until the bubble bursts or ccp intervenes or both.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#311 - 2014-07-07 18:15:40 UTC
Soul Canton wrote:
As a father and family man


Your choice

You felt that having a life was more important than video games

Im not about to sacrifice my fictional fortune for your family

Its bad enough my taxes help pay for other people's children as it is

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#312 - 2014-07-07 18:17:59 UTC
Soul Canton wrote:
As a father and family man, my time to play eve is now fairly limited to maybe a couple of hours a night playing internet spaceships when the family goes to bed. I am concerned for my ability to play as I have to spend more time earning isk to pay for gametime and less time blowing ships up.

With the rising cost of plex, I understand that it may be supergreat for all of you people with disposable income and time, but for some of us, the cost of this game is getting prohibitive.

I may have to take a break until the bubble bursts or ccp intervenes or both.


I just don't understand where this come from. Can there really be this many people so terribly bad at making isk? I visit my low sec PI opperation like once per week and that income helps smooth things over for me.

And just what ships are you using. Even badly run lvl 4 missions will give enough isk after you convert the LP (badly) to keep you in t1 cruiers and BCs.

What I htink happened is that CCP spolied people with the cheap plex, people got used to an unsustainable lifestyle, and now that that is naturally going away, they are mad because they felt entitled.

I saw it happen once in real life. I was a Detention Officer (jail guard) for a county sheriff. For years we didn't have enough jailers so overtime was abundant. One guy died from a heart attack after working a TRIPLE shift lol. The parking lot was full of nice cars and big ass pick up trucks (this is Texas lol).

Then the county government said "hey sheriff, do something about that overtime". The Sheriff's office hired a bunch of jailers and the overime oppurtunities largely went away. Shortly thereafter, legions of repo men with tow trucks invaded the parking lots lol. It got so bad the Sheriff had to post a Deputy in the parking lot to tell the repo guys that they couldn't repo on county property and would have to do it when the owner of the car wasn't at work.

Some of my fellow employees were so mad that they demanded either a raise or a return of the OT there were 'entitled' to. They never stopped to think that maybe they had been dumb to build a life around overtime in the 1st place.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#313 - 2014-07-07 18:31:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Some of my fellow employees were so mad that they demanded either a raise or a return of the OT there were 'entitled' to. They never stopped to think that maybe they had been dumb to build a life around overtime in the 1st place.


I see this a lot where I work now. Salaried employees above a certain level are entitled to a bonus based on certain criteria - and some of the guys I know are counting on that bonus to help them meet basic necessities like their mortgages. I'm always like but what happens when we don't do so good and don't get one?

The response I usually get is that deer in the headlights look that means they had never even considered that possibility, which scares the bejebus out of me.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Dave Stark
#314 - 2014-07-07 18:33:56 UTC
Soul Canton wrote:
As a father and family man, my time to play eve is now fairly limited to maybe a couple of hours a night playing internet spaceships when the family goes to bed. I am concerned for my ability to play as I have to spend more time earning isk to pay for gametime and less time blowing ships up.

With the rising cost of plex, I understand that it may be supergreat for all of you people with disposable income and time, but for some of us, the cost of this game is getting prohibitive.

I may have to take a break until the bubble bursts or ccp intervenes or both.


you have children.
why aren't you forcing them to mine ore for you?

you're clearly not using all the tools at your disposal.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#315 - 2014-07-07 18:41:32 UTC
Soul Canton wrote:
As a father and family man, my time to play eve is now fairly limited to maybe a couple of hours a night playing internet spaceships when the family goes to bed. I am concerned for my ability to play as I have to spend more time earning isk to pay for gametime and less time blowing ships up.

With the rising cost of plex, I understand that it may be supergreat for all of you people with disposable income and time, but for some of us, the cost of this game is getting prohibitive.

I may have to take a break until the bubble bursts or ccp intervenes or both.

I'm literally in the exact same position.

I pay for my time,

HTFU.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#316 - 2014-07-07 18:49:47 UTC
Soul Canton wrote:
As a father and family man, my time to play eve is now fairly limited to maybe a couple of hours a night playing internet spaceships when the family goes to bed. I am concerned for my ability to play as I have to spend more time earning isk to pay for gametime and less time blowing ships up.

With the rising cost of plex, I understand that it may be supergreat for all of you people with disposable income and time, but for some of us, the cost of this game is getting prohibitive.

I may have to take a break until the bubble bursts or ccp intervenes or both.


If things are so tight you can't afford to sub for less than half the price of your internet (spending your limited time in game being able to have fun), you might want to consider a single player game.

I'm not passing judgment. Just making an observation.

Mr Epeen Cool
Erin Crawford
#317 - 2014-07-07 18:59:34 UTC
Soul Canton wrote:
As a father and family man, my time to play eve is now fairly limited to maybe a couple of hours a night playing internet spaceships when the family goes to bed. I am concerned for my ability to play as I have to spend more time earning isk to pay for gametime and less time blowing ships up.

With the rising cost of plex, I understand that it may be supergreat for all of you people with disposable income and time, but for some of us, the cost of this game is getting prohibitive.

I may have to take a break until the bubble bursts or ccp intervenes or both.


So, why not buy PLEX? Haven't the prices for them been fairly consistent for some time now? I think it's $19.95 for one at the moment. This means if you buy now and sell for isk in game you'll get more bang for your buck than ever before! And for someone with a family, a computer and time to play computer games that really shouldn't be a problem.

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#318 - 2014-07-07 19:06:43 UTC
Erin Crawford wrote:
Soul Canton wrote:
As a father and family man, my time to play eve is now fairly limited to maybe a couple of hours a night playing internet spaceships when the family goes to bed. I am concerned for my ability to play as I have to spend more time earning isk to pay for gametime and less time blowing ships up.

With the rising cost of plex, I understand that it may be supergreat for all of you people with disposable income and time, but for some of us, the cost of this game is getting prohibitive.

I may have to take a break until the bubble bursts or ccp intervenes or both.


So, why not buy PLEX? Haven't the prices for them been fairly consistent for some time now? I think it's $19.95 for one at the moment. This means if you buy now and sell for isk in game you'll get more bang for your buck than ever before! And for someone with a family, a computer and time to play computer games that really shouldn't be a problem.

BingoBlink
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#319 - 2014-07-07 19:35:46 UTC
CCP will have a PLEX sale REAL soon.

Almost all the sell order plexs in a backwater region just vanished....by some coincidence.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#320 - 2014-07-07 20:13:29 UTC
Soul Canton wrote:
As a father and family man, my time to play eve is now fairly limited to maybe a couple of hours a night playing internet spaceships when the family goes to bed. I am concerned for my ability to play as I have to spend more time earning isk to pay for gametime and less time blowing ships up.

With the rising cost of plex, I understand that it may be supergreat for all of you people with disposable income and time, but for some of us, the cost of this game is getting prohibitive.

I may have to take a break until the bubble bursts or ccp intervenes or both.


I'm sure CCP will lose a lot of sleep over a non paying customer threatening to quit.

Cost prohibitive? Seriously?

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