Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Incursions are rarely run in nullsec. Somewhere around never except for our group, unless the incursion is blocking a critical asset/Jump bridge. I have an alt that runs hisec incursions and that's where I go to make isk. The effort to do them in nullsec eats a lot of time I could spend running, and hits sharply into my isk per hour. I make about 50% more running hisec incursions then I do running nullsec incursions deep in friendly space, and I'm not happy with the the risk/reward that I'm exposing myself to. I'm just doing it for something not-boring to do.

If the risk/reward was balanced, there'd be more people running them.

Gotta love the CFC incursion management, as well as other major blocks fearing a "hotdrop" in cyno jammed systems, because of the incursion. Now, bridging a BS/ABC/other beefy high DPS fleet to the edge of the constellation might work.

I supposed, but I thought this was referred to as being "blops'd", not "hotdroping".

That's not "might work", it does work. Quite Well. And you don't even have to drop expensive ships. Bombers are quite disposable, you just need 40 of them to cream a BS fleet. Goons + Blobbing? Check. This is literally shooting fish in a barrel.

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There's nothing they can do short of docking up when a neut enters system and stay docked for hours till he gets bored. Which greatly interferes with your isk/hour. TEST gets around that by having spies in the CFC, and docks up the moment we ping for a fleet.

GIP is making a serious attempt to run lowsec incursions, and the mechanics are against them.

How bout they just add a button, that moves any incursion runners isk right to you?

Just because you can't use your cheep ganking tactics to pop an incursion fleet and you might have to use some skill and a ship worth more than a mill, Why else would you want to remove concord from the system...let me use a line that most gankers love to use.... you'll break the game

I Thing will be more better to finish fast the incursion and do not lose any contest, to have more people in the fleet...
For me is not a problem if i take 29.500.000 milion per blink ...but you winn more time to make the incursion and we don't lose any contest.

This is a sugestion ... the best fleet ever for incursion is DIN. Thanks

Apparently not as risk free as everyone would like to portend.

Link to the Mittani so a convoluted, involved and brilliant way to track, trap and gank incursion runners. Seems like Incursion runners are still at risk, still having to come up with more ways to protect themselves, and still not making 'risk free ISK'.

If you want to add more risk to incursion runners, I don't think gate rats are a good way of doing that.

Incursion runners will know about the rats and clear them out when their buddies are coming through, or they'll know they need to fly with WCS/whatever to get through the gate. And they'll only have to do it once when they are entering the system. Once they are docked in the station, they won't have to leave the system until the incursion is over.

What it will do is screw with players that are just locals, completely un-related to incursion running, and won't know the risks that appear randomly in system. They'll come into their home system and die on the gate due to rats that weren't there yesterday.

Why is there even still a debate about adding more risk to the "risk free" hobby of incursion running? Or, should I say, having incursioneers gank themselves because gankers are too lazy.
Being an incursioneer means packing up your ships, on average weekly, and traversing a large part of Empire space and often passing through multiple "gank pipes" in order to get in as many sites as possible. I do understand how hard it can be for the poor ganker that has the oh so difficult task of sitting on a gate in Niarja with a scout in the direction of incursion systems. I don't even want to contemplate how much effort it takes to use ISBoxer to coordinate the suicide attack of some catalysts, oh the horror, those poor gankers. Maybe incursioneers should all be highlighted in Local? Maybe Concord should just not respond to ganking attacks aimed at anyone who has incursioned in the last week? Maybe Concord should tackle incursioneers and hold them on a gate so that the multitudes of poor, downtrodden gankers can whittle them away?

Or, and this is a big or, maybe the gankers could stop crying all over the forums, go change your diapers and tell your Mommies you need a new juice box, then go back to the oh-so-hard job of sitting on a gate with 30-40 of your closest alts.

As for Null Sec incursions, never once have I considered running a Null Sec incursion. They exist, in my opinion, only as a way to add a nice little sum to the coffers of the blue doughnut. Any effective incursion fleet would be wiped from the map before they could make any appreciable amount of ISK solely for affronting the honor of the blue doughnut and bringing the dishonorable act of "carebearing" to the land of carebears.

Low Sec incursions are different and, while I have not personally run a low sec incursion, I know plenty of pilots that are more than willing to jump out in a disposable ship and make the better ISK. I also know of 5 times that number of incursion pilots who are happier station spinning in a ship than taking an expensive ship through the gate camps of gankers who are actually willing to put in a little effort instead of sobbing and whining on the forums. I think that a slight increase in the payout of low sec incursions might add enough incentive to bring more pilots out to the low sec spawns, 5-10% more than the current should be enough to provoke more interest for the added risk of low sec'ing in shiny PvE ships. Or possibly even shifting the payout:pilot ratio so that PvE fits can be shifted towards more survivable fits to allow for some defense against a drop.

Well a Orca already does this, however another hull that is able to carry rigged BS(at least 2) in a ship maintenance bay at a bit faster speed would be nice for people doing logistics for bigger corps/alliances and people that have to relocate often(like people flying Incs). So basically like a Orca with a bigger ship maintenance array, but no ore bay/corp hangar and only like 5k cargo to stuff in some spare mods, drones, cap boosters and ammo.

Basically the same utility as you have for low/0.0 with carrier but for conventional gate travel.