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Thats something I havent heard before

Blueprint being dragged from inventory to industry causes mousedrag events in the job runs "wheel" control. Also: mouse tooltips might appear.

IMO drag hover should distinguished as a different type of UI event, when the drag originates from somewhere else. Think of all the scrollbars in the world.

In this case, a full preview (undo when not dropped) of the dragged BP would be nice.

I just managed to break the runs slider (manufactury job) so it didn't update anymore when changing runs manually or clicking it. Closing window and reopening it fixed operation, and cannot just now figure out how to reproduce :/

I see that after today's update, POS manufacturing bonus still says -25% MATERIAL for facility bonus.

I didnt even bother to look if it is a bogus bonus indication on only the mouseover. If mouseover shows differently than calculations, or what is actually redacted from inventory, you have a serious desing error.

Still not done. People were implementing this today, should be in by the end of the week.

Ive already seen a few of my issies go away(yey for delivery dates and start dates), but still quite a few things missing. But good to hear its beeing worked on

The key questions that anyone manufacturing should ask are:

• how much is all this going to cost?
• am I likely to make a profit?

How much is all this going to cost

What I would like to see on the manufacturing UI is a toggleable figure for:

• the total cost for the production run; or
• the total cost for a single item.

I am aware that you can generate these figures by changing the quantities and checking the figure generated on the spanner icon pop up but as this is a key figure it should not be buried. By being in the open it also allows the user to click between blueprints and facilities and immediate see what the effect is, without having to prepare a spreadsheet.

Am I likely to make a profit?

I would like to figure to be colour coded (or the panel behind the number coloured) - my preference would be green (if the manufacturing costs is below the average sales price) and range in hue to red (if the manufacturing costs are above the average sales) [colour blindness allowing]. The figure should have a pop up that gives the percentage profit or loss.

Again a visual clue as to the sensibility of commencing the manufacturing without a spreadsheet.

1% ME per Upgrade level that means you pay 25b for the step from 2% to 3% how is that ever worth it? Especially when you compare it to minmatar outpost refining upgrades. It is not in line at all. Its a downright boring and coward change. If you want localized industry in null-sec you're going to have to do better then that.

At minimum a fully upgraded amarr outpost should have a reduction of 15% anything below that is plain pointless.

Ok, manufacture, time efficency, material efficency, Tech II.. very clear Some runs in high-sec (Pator on the 1st) all good.

Did for a new test corp in Vard with a 5% tax

Now in low-sec (Lasleinur 2nd of July) Copies, material, time.... Tech II... Error
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Unable to install job due to the following reasons:
The job cost has changed
The facility tax rates have changed

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Error.MISMATCH_COST (4963, 5790)
Error.MISMATCH_TAX (496, 579)
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This making a Hound BPC from a Breacher BPC with a Cryptic Attainment added to the mix.

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Also Blueprints could use a few more filters, or like Frigate etc

or

You might be able to adapt the market Blueprint tree, either as a seperate entity or by adding tabs (fields) in the database like my blueprints and corporate blueprints.

:-)

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3 July : Update.. It's working now. No cost errors. I'm off to try a few more things in other areas.

Comments (some already raised that are excellent):
- Stacking multiple BPC's with the same stats etc together.
Addition to: Give user installing the job from a BPC the choice of installing from lowest or highest runs remaining

- Performance, performance, performance: PIG Slow to open if you've got lots of blueprints! Every single time it takes in excess of 10-15 seconds just to open the window, that I kick myself every time I closed it by mistake because of being used to it opening swiftly now.
Addition to: With the API telling me we have 85k+ in BPC alone, I'm very concerned about it constantly populating from Cargo containers, which is how we currently hide them from the Industry system.

- One thing that's annoyed me for 11 years is that you have 7 hangers in a corp, but only 6 visible in the drop down lists, as you always have to scroll to the last one!! Can someone PLEASE increase the list size one more so they are at least all visible at the same time? Taken me longer to type to ask then probably to make this change guys.

- UI for ME / TE listing - a graphical blue bar? Absolutely pointless, give us the number please.

- System Cost Index - another graphical bar? Really? Come on guys, give us something useful here please.

- Filters, the best idea I've seen to date is the means for user configurable ones, so long as we can have more then one filter in effect like in the inventory window. We would probably want to set rules like, which isn't already at Level 10/20, which items are at that specific facility, that solar system, etc.
Addition to: I would actually be happy if the blueprints screen was initially blank until I started typing the first few characters, as we're always only interested in installing a specific item into a job.

- It's slower to put in jobs using the new interface then it is with the current system, so not a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. Whilst it's pretty, and I'm sure others have already raised that point, it wastes so much space at the top of the screens just 'looking good'. This is industry, it's supposed to be practical not pretty. Leave that for outside the stations IMO. I'm just very concerned that it's going to take much longer now to install jobs then it does at present.

I was looking forward to a better and faster way to install jobs, possibly even multiple jobs of the same type at once, and these seem slower across the board, and require more clicking (no keyboard consideration again!!!!!! Tab people, Tab). Every time the first time you put in a blueprint, no matter if you have put in similar types before, up goes the input and output.

Why separate these buy such a distance when generally you have to set both at the same time for a corp? If you are going to do that at least put the input on the left at the top, and the output on the right at the top nearer to it.

- Skills box below the job looks interactive, and actually if you are constantly coming from below having selected a blueprint and pass the mouse over that, it always BLOCKS access to the area where you enter practical information about job runs. Please, at least make it hover off to the side or below, but not OVER something important!

- On the Accept Quote? screen previously, you could press CTRL+C to copy the information, and paste it outside of the game. This was regularly useful when buying minerals, as you could see the exact install requirements and copy them else where to consolidate. The new 'Pretty' UI screen is less useful/practical as you cannot see a complete list of the materials unless you hover over a > icon or you can see the items icons, but the quantities are abbreviated (useless).

I would rather there was a tab or something in this header area that you could at least select a list of materials and CTRL+C again to copy them out of game, or (god I hate suggesting this) a right-click option in the pop-up dialog that lists all the minerals (I'm a keyboard user, there is already too much mouse activity in Eve).

- Cannot right-click and move blueprints like you used to be able to, if moving between divisions/hangars was required. Now you have to use the Inventory interface, which doesn't show ME/TE values, so it's hit and miss with a lot of blueprints of the same type (already told you we've 85k BPC to sort through! Arrgh not looking forward to this now!).

- Interface is designed purely to look pretty and/or for mouse users, keyboard users and those that would tab between fields previously for speed of interaction were not considered here were they? :)

- Inability to see End date on Jobs is critical issue and mostly because of the inability to resize width of the window, as the grids below can't show all useful columns easily without resizing them all to get to this hidden column! One of the most useful of which isn't on display initially as it's way off screen, and only visible when you resize other columns to get access to it.

Really really really hate being told this is the size of things, deal with it. Everyone has a different way of working, and windows are windows for a reason, resize, reposition, user preference etc...

- Time display is horrible!!! At least put d h m s next to each number to make it more clear to non-developer users.